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Advice before marriage
« on: August 21, 2016, 09:45:39 PM »
Hi All,

I am in the process of getting engaged with a girl from the USA.

We will be looking to get married in the UK, around this December during the school holidays.
This is going to be a arranged married, which me and the girl are happy with.
She is a USA Citizen, she has been in the USA for 7 Year now.

Would she need to apply for a VISA to come to get married?

She will like to remain in the UK after the married.

Also what Visa would we need to apply for before and after the married?

Also how would it work if she needs to join GP Doctors or go to hospital?

About me: I am self employed, and have been since last year, where I take minimum salary 10K, and rest in dividend during each months, and yearly.
I have my own house.

What salary is required for me to apply for me spouses.

Many thanks for your help.

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Re: Advice before marriage
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2016, 11:12:08 PM »
Hi, and welcome to UKY.

This is going to be a arranged married, which me and the girl are happy with.

Have you met in person before?  An arranged marriage is not an automatic bar; however, you do need to demonstrate that you have met in person at least once before applying for a visa.  If you have not met in person at all, the application will be refused.

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Would she need to apply for a VISA to come to get married?

Yes, she will need to apply for a visa in advance.  If you would like to be married in the UK, you have two options:

1.  Fiance(e) visa.  This visa allows her to move to the UK and get married to yourself.  Once married, she can apply to essentially switch to a spouse status by applying for further leave to remain, or FLR(M).  She does not need to leave the UK and can apply within the UK after the marriage.  Note:  Until she is granted FLR(M) after you are married, she cannot work in ANY capacity - this includes working online remotely, volunteering, and so on.  Also, until she is granted FLR(M) she will have to pay for any medical treatment in the UK - she is not entitled to non-emergency NHS treatment free at the point of access.

2.  Marriage visitor visa.  This visa allows her to visit the UK to get married to yourself.  This is a visitor visa, so she MUST leave the UK before or when it expires.  She CANNOT remain in the UK and switch to FLR(M).  She would need to return to the USA and apply for a spouse visa to return to the UK.  Note:  If you opted for this method, a spouse visa would allow her to work and access to the NHS as soon as she moves over. 

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She will like to remain in the UK after the married.

In this case, a fiance(e) visa is likely what she's after.  Be aware though of the stipulations mentioned above; she may prefer a marriage visitor visa and a later return on a spouse visa if immediate NHS access and ability to work are important for her circumstances.

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Also what Visa would we need to apply for before and after the married?

If you do the fiance(e) route:

Fiance(e) visa valid for 6 months > FLR(M) valid for 30 months > FLR(M) valid for an additional 30 months > ILR valid indefinitely if she remains living in the UK > UK citizenship if she opts for it

If you do the marriage visitor visa route:

Marriage visitor visa valid for up to 6 months > Return to USA and apply for spouse visa valid for 30 months > FLR(M) for an additional 30 months > ILR valid indefinitely if she remains living in the UK > UK citizenship if she opts for it

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Also how would it work if she needs to join GP Doctors or go to hospital?

If she is living in the UK with a fiance(e) visa and has not gotten FLR(M) yet, she can visit the doctor and hospital but will need to pay at the point of access for all non-emergency treatment.  Same if she's in the UK as a visitor on a marriage visitor visa.

If she is living in the UK with a spouse visa or FLR(M), she can visit the doctor and hospital without needing to pay at point of access - just like a British citizen.  The visa application includes an NHS surcharge. (the 6-month fiance(e) visa does not have an NHS surcharge as it's considered a short term visa, unlike a spouse visa valid for 30 months)

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About me: I am self employed, and have been since last year, where I take minimum salary 10K, and rest in dividend during each months, and yearly.
I have my own house.

What salary is required for me to apply for me spouses.

If it is just her, you will need to demonstrate you earn a minimum of £18,600 per year.  If she is bringing over any dependent children, the minimum financial threshold will increase. 

Be aware that meeting the financial requirements with self employed earnings is going to require careful reading and understanding of the requirements.  Many documents are required to evidence your financial situation, and the omission of one will likely result in a refusal.

Here are the relevant links to read up further: 

https://www.gov.uk/join-family-in-uk/overview

https://www.gov.uk/healthcare-immigration-application/pay

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/application-for-uk-visa-for-family-settlement-form-vaf4a

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/chapter-8-appendix-fm-family-members

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/immigration-rules/immigration-rules-appendix-fm-se-family-members-specified-evidence

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/525708/Appendix_FM_1_7_Financial_Requirement.pdf

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/usa-apply-for-a-uk-visa/apply-for-a-uk-visa-in-the-usa


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Re: Advice before marriage
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2016, 11:56:35 PM »
Aquila gave you some great info.

If it helps to visualise the spouse visa routes, this might help: www.kneadtowander.com/uk-visas
July 2012 - Fiancée Visa | Nov 2012 - Married
Dec 2012 - FLR | Nov 2014 - ILR | Dec 2015 - UK Citizen


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Re: Advice before marriage
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2016, 09:13:50 AM »
Hi, and welcome to UKY.


Many Thanks :)


Have you met in person before?  An arranged marriage is not an automatic bar; however, you do need to demonstrate that you have met in person at least once before applying for a visa.  If you have not met in person at all, the application will be refused.


Yes I have met her before once, it was arrange by family and was able to speak to eachother, and we are happy to get married:)

How do I need to demonstrate I have met her before?


Yes, she will need to apply for a visa in advance.  If you would like to be married in the UK, you have two options:

1.  Fiance(e) visa.  This visa allows her to move to the UK and get married to yourself.  Once married, she can apply to essentially switch to a spouse status by applying for further leave to remain, or FLR(M).  She does not need to leave the UK and can apply within the UK after the marriage.  Note:  Until she is granted FLR(M) after you are married, she cannot work in ANY capacity - this includes working online remotely, volunteering, and so on.  Also, until she is granted FLR(M) she will have to pay for any medical treatment in the UK - she is not entitled to non-emergency NHS treatment free at the point of access.


The  Fiance(e) visa seem like the option best suited for us, Could I apply for the Visa from the UK for her as shes in the US?

Or Does she need to apply for the Visa from the US?

Also how long does the  Fiance(e) visa take around?



2.  Marriage visitor visa.  This visa allows her to visit the UK to get married to yourself.  This is a visitor visa, so she MUST leave the UK before or when it expires.  She CANNOT remain in the UK and switch to FLR(M).  She would need to return to the USA and apply for a spouse visa to return to the UK.  Note:  If you opted for this method, a spouse visa would allow her to work and access to the NHS as soon as she moves over. 

In this case, a fiance(e) visa is likely what she's after.  Be aware though of the stipulations mentioned above; she may prefer a marriage visitor visa and a later return on a spouse visa if immediate NHS access and ability to work are important for her circumstances.

If you do the fiance(e) route:

Fiance(e) visa valid for 6 months > FLR(M) valid for 30 months > FLR(M) valid for an additional 30 months > ILR valid indefinitely if she remains living in the UK > UK citizenship if she opts for it

If you do the marriage visitor visa route:

Marriage visitor visa valid for up to 6 months > Return to USA and apply for spouse visa valid for 30 months > FLR(M) for an additional 30 months > ILR valid indefinitely if she remains living in the UK > UK citizenship if she opts for it

If she is living in the UK with a fiance(e) visa and has not gotten FLR(M) yet, she can visit the doctor and hospital but will need to pay at the point of access for all non-emergency treatment.  Same if she's in the UK as a visitor on a marriage visitor visa.

If she is living in the UK with a spouse visa or FLR(M), she can visit the doctor and hospital without needing to pay at point of access - just like a British citizen.  The visa application includes an NHS surcharge. (the 6-month fiance(e) visa does not have an NHS surcharge as it's considered a short term visa, unlike a spouse visa valid for 30 months)


Many Thanks is fantastic information!!! I cannot thank you enough


If it is just her, you will need to demonstrate you earn a minimum of £18,600 per year.  If she is bringing over any dependent children, the minimum financial threshold will increase. 


How many month payslips do I need to show?


Be aware that meeting the financial requirements with self employed earnings is going to require careful reading and understanding of the requirements.  Many documents are required to evidence your financial situation, and the omission of one will likely result in a refusal.

Here are the relevant links to read up further: 

https://www.gov.uk/join-family-in-uk/overview

https://www.gov.uk/healthcare-immigration-application/pay

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/application-for-uk-visa-for-family-settlement-form-vaf4a

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/chapter-8-appendix-fm-family-members

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/immigration-rules/immigration-rules-appendix-fm-se-family-members-specified-evidence

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/525708/Appendix_FM_1_7_Financial_Requirement.pdf

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/usa-apply-for-a-uk-visa/apply-for-a-uk-visa-in-the-usa


Again very MUCH THANKS YOU!!!!  Very Much Appreciated  :) :)



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Re: Advice before marriage
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2016, 09:17:03 AM »
Aquila gave you some great info.

If it helps to visualise the spouse visa routes, this might help: www.kneadtowander.com/uk-visas


Wow That makes it clearly to show to family, Very MUCH THANKS YOU!!!!  Very Much Appreciated  :) :)




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