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Can I hire a recruiter to find me work in the UK?
« on: January 09, 2017, 05:56:13 PM »
As some of the posts here state.....if you don't have a Visa they don't want to know you. I was wondering if I could pay a recruiter in the UK to find someone who will sponsor me and get me a job.

That is taboo in the USA, but reaching out to every recruiter possible in the UK has done nothing for me in 10 years!

Are there legitimate recruiters out there who I can pay to find work for me instead of ignoring my emails and phone calls?

Thanks.

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Re: Can I hire a recruiter to find me work in the UK?
« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2017, 06:02:07 PM »
Personally I'm not aware of recruiters that you can personally hire (I've only dealt with ones who are paid by the company that hires you).

What area are you looking to relocate to and what field are you in?  There could be better contacts here!

Some fields are easier to obtain sponsorship than others.  Just the nature of the game, I'm afraid.  Brexit isn't helping either.  I've noticed the housing market has been stagnant since the vote.  The media is trying to keep things positive, but I think we're going to hit a big recession soon....  I think most would agree.  There's just too much uncertainty here!

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Re: Can I hire a recruiter to find me work in the UK?
« Reply #2 on: January 09, 2017, 06:45:14 PM »
Personally I'm not aware of recruiters that you can personally hire (I've only dealt with ones who are paid by the company that hires you).

What area are you looking to relocate to and what field are you in?  There could be better contacts here!

Some fields are easier to obtain sponsorship than others.  Just the nature of the game, I'm afraid.  Brexit isn't helping either.  I've noticed the housing market has been stagnant since the vote.  The media is trying to keep things positive, but I think we're going to hit a big recession soon....  I think most would agree.  There's just too much uncertainty here!

I'll take a job anywhere in the UK to start off with anyways. Thanks for the additional information, it is helpful and what I suspected. I work in the IT field.

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Re: Can I hire a recruiter to find me work in the UK?
« Reply #3 on: January 09, 2017, 07:54:20 PM »
I'd also kind of be afraid to get robbed if I paid someone up front like that since I would not have much recourse under international law.

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Re: Can I hire a recruiter to find me work in the UK?
« Reply #4 on: January 09, 2017, 07:59:59 PM »
I know someone in the UK who is in IT (an American on a work visa).  Things haven't totally worked out for him, a few times  ::)  He's managed to find his third sponsor in about 18 months.  I'll ask him what recruiter he is working with.

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Re: Can I hire a recruiter to find me work in the UK?
« Reply #5 on: January 09, 2017, 08:07:07 PM »
I know someone in the UK who is in IT (an American on a work visa).  Things haven't totally worked out for him, a few times  ::)  He's managed to find his third sponsor in about 18 months.  I'll ask him what recruiter he is working with.

"Nah ah" is all I can say. Like I said, 10 years of trying with no progress. I'd REALLY REALLY appreciate that information! Thank you!


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Re: Can I hire a recruiter to find me work in the UK?
« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2017, 01:15:57 PM »
I'd also kind of be afraid to get robbed if I paid someone up front like that since I would not have much recourse under international law.

Especially since you would be paying a recruitment consultant!   Why don't sharks eat UK recruitment consultants?  Professional courtesy.

You may have some luck with outsourcing companies who make a business out of bringing
People from India and Moldova to work here for cheap.  I've worked with guys from a company called
Endava.   

Your best chance will be to use Linked In and pitch people directly with your niche IT skill. 

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Re: Can I hire a recruiter to find me work in the UK?
« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2017, 06:35:26 PM »
Hi

UStoUK4Me, as I'm sure you already know 'IT' has many sub sections and specialist areas and, the UK already has plenty of home grown IT specialists. I used to work for 3 US IT/Software houses and my skills were mainly in Application Support/QA/Consulting/Infrastructure & Configuration and looked at potentially moving to the US via the 'work experience/IT specialist' route but found I wasn't specialized enough as it were to be considered for US based roles.

What 'specialist' IT skills do you have ? You'll most likely need to target specific companies looking for staff with the skills/experience you have for your best chance of finding work related to your skills. You'll not be considered for 'any job' in the UK as many small to medium sized businesses will be looking to cut costs whilst the UK gets ready for the rocky road ahead after Brexit officially happens. They'll be a lot less of them willing to pay for all the extra overhead for international recruiting.

If you find that your IT skillset is already covered by many UK based people, which I suspect it is given you've mentioned 10 years of trying, then I'd suggest taking courses/exams in aspects that are in demand here from companies looking to hire. Also perhaps look at other countries to move to?

You'll not find a recruiter that takes your money upfront and finds a role for you - it just doesn't work that way. The 'nearest' thing I can think of is the schemes where you go to college and learn for perhaps 1-3 months (or longer) and take an exam and upon passing you are put into a job right after. I've heard that although they promise the chance to go for a high paying job, most people who take these courses usually end up in entry level type positions at much more 'notmal' salary levels. I'm not sure if they allow foreign people to apply so it's something you'll need to look into.

Cheers, DtM! West London & Slough UK!

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Re: Can I hire a recruiter to find me work in the UK?
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2017, 01:39:27 PM »
Especially since you would be paying a recruitment consultant!   Why don't sharks eat UK recruitment consultants?  Professional courtesy.

You may have some luck with outsourcing companies who make a business out of bringing
People from India and Moldova to work here for cheap.  I've worked with guys from a company called
Endava.   

Your best chance will be to use Linked In and pitch people directly with your niche IT skill.

Loool! Thanks for the lead. I'll give them a call.

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Re: Can I hire a recruiter to find me work in the UK?
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2017, 01:48:26 PM »
Hi

UStoUK4Me, as I'm sure you already know 'IT' has many sub sections and specialist areas and, the UK already has plenty of home grown IT specialists. I used to work for 3 US IT/Software houses and my skills were mainly in Application Support/QA/Consulting/Infrastructure & Configuration and looked at potentially moving to the US via the 'work experience/IT specialist' route but found I wasn't specialized enough as it were to be considered for US based roles.

What 'specialist' IT skills do you have ? You'll most likely need to target specific companies looking for staff with the skills/experience you have for your best chance of finding work related to your skills. You'll not be considered for 'any job' in the UK as many small to medium sized businesses will be looking to cut costs whilst the UK gets ready for the rocky road ahead after Brexit officially happens. They'll be a lot less of them willing to pay for all the extra overhead for international recruiting.

If you find that your IT skillset is already covered by many UK based people, which I suspect it is given you've mentioned 10 years of trying, then I'd suggest taking courses/exams in aspects that are in demand here from companies looking to hire. Also perhaps look at other countries to move to?

You'll not find a recruiter that takes your money upfront and finds a role for you - it just doesn't work that way. The 'nearest' thing I can think of is the schemes where you go to college and learn for perhaps 1-3 months (or longer) and take an exam and upon passing you are put into a job right after. I've heard that although they promise the chance to go for a high paying job, most people who take these courses usually end up in entry level type positions at much more 'notmal' salary levels. I'm not sure if they allow foreign people to apply so it's something you'll need to look into.

Cheers, DtM! West London & Slough UK!

Thank you for your post. Without getting granular, I have numerous specialties and I am also a generalist. This is the result of constantly being told "no, you are not smart enough", for lack of a better term. I have almost 20 years of experience.

Put it this way, I was "smart enough" to get hired 3 times when I actually lived in the UK between 2004 and 2005 with 13 years less experience and far fewer certifications.

As to your attempting to move to the USA and not be specialized enough, it is not you it is them.

If it isn't one thing it isn't another. Now that I have made it difficult for them to tell me I am not "smart enough", they have moved on to other things. I usually get rejected deep into the interview process these days. Of course, that doesn't really matter because there are more jobs here than you can shake a stick at.

One thing that I did take notice of is once I make initial contact with a recruiter....even if they make initial contact with me, it is next to impossible to make contact again telephonically.

The recruiter is extremely shielded by the person answering the phone. What was your name? Have you spoken to them before? Once you are done with the 50 questions you end up on that person's voicemail never to be heard from again. It makes it even harder if you are persistent since you are personally identifiable due to your accent.
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Can I hire a recruiter to find me work in the UK?
« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2017, 02:37:35 PM »
I read somewhere that in a recruitment consultant office there is no receptionist and no system of leaving messages.  They all take turns answering each other's phones while the guy you are trying to reach listens for the name from across the cubicle.  The answering guy either puts you through right away or pretends to take a message depending on the reaction.

Don't worry about agents that don't return calls, they are ignoring you because they aren't going to do anything for you.  It's not personal, you are not money for them so it's a waste to talk to you.  Even after you interview, it is rare to hear back from the agent unless you are successful.  Calling people to break the bad news does not get them closer to their quota.  If an agent has a job for you, he'll be calling you every 10 minutes. 

Keep in mind that any position advertised is replied to by 10,000 Indians with no visa who are willing to try their luck.  Agents have developed sophisticated filter mechanisms in response and you are being caught in those filters.
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Can I hire a recruiter to find me work in the UK?
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2017, 02:46:13 PM »
By the way, there's a forum for IT contractors that's very busy.  Even though your request is a bit off topic from the normal, you will get good advice.  It's http://forums.contractoruk.com/

I'd post the same question there.

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Re: Can I hire a recruiter to find me work in the UK?
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2017, 03:34:38 PM »
I'd also kind of be afraid to get robbed if I paid someone up front like that since I would not have much recourse under international law.

And there are plenty of these about, who prey on those wanting a work visa for the UK. There are always warnings on the work forums.

The sponsor pays for the visa and the applicant needs an interview, yet people report they paid thousands to someone who said they will get them a visa. Some even get given a CoS number but when they applied for the visa, they get deception on their record and a 10 year ban for using false documents to try to get a visa. Their CoS was either used and sold before (many times) or was not a real CoS.

Tier 2 visa holders are not allowed to work as contracters either, so beware of those give you a CoS for a visa and them farm you out to their clients.

In your position, I would be contacting the sponsor licence holders on that list I gave you and see if they can help you towards getting a Restricted CoS for a work visa.

TBH, if you aren't doing a job that is in demand in the UK, then you will struggle to get a sponsor as they can fill that post many times over from those who are allowed to work in the UK. Even though they can pay a foreign wokrer less money, UKVI won't issue the visa if it is a job they think could have been filled by someone already allowed to work in the UK: Brits, EEA citizens and their family members, someone on a spouse visa, a dependant of someone on a work or student visa, someone who just studied at a UK university as a Tier 4 visa holder.

The easiest visa to the the UK is the spouse visa. That visa allows you to work where you want to and do any job.
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Re: Can I hire a recruiter to find me work in the UK?
« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2017, 04:03:00 PM »
I read somewhere that in a recruitment consultant office there is no receptionist and no system of leaving messages.  They all take turns answering each other's phones while the guy you are trying to reach listens for the name from across the cubicle.  The answering guy either puts you through right away or pretends to take a message depending on the reaction.

Don't worry about agents that don't return calls, they are ignoring you because they aren't going to do anything for you.  It's not personal, you are not money for them so it's a waste to talk to you.  Even after you interview, it is rare to hear back from the agent unless you are successful.  Calling people to break the bad news does not get them closer to their quota.  If an agent has a job for you, he'll be calling you every 10 minutes. 

Keep in mind that any position advertised is replied to by 10,000 Indians with no visa who are willing to try their luck.  Agents have developed sophisticated filter mechanisms in response and you are being caught in those filters.


You know, this was a great post! I suspected this all along and 10 years ago I'd be called paranoid if I came to this conclusion. I always felt that in the absence of any other evidence you have to stick to your guns and come to a logical conclusion.

I am glad that the world is in some ways changing for the better as it also changes for the worst.

My efforts in getting out there again have really played havoc with the late traditionalist/early baby boomer idealisms instilled in me and so many other Americans. I think that some of us (obviously including myself) suffer with the concept that everyone is a friend. In turn, I am confident that said conditioning is exploited by a great many people. Breaking that conditioning does not come easy to someone like me. This is an admission of great humility. 

This illusion is further complicated by my first hand experiences with Brits as a whole being a far more empathetic culture (in person at least) with respect to what I have shared about my life.

This is the most humble post that I have ever made.

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Re: Can I hire a recruiter to find me work in the UK?
« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2017, 04:18:47 PM »
And there are plenty of these about, who prey on those wanting a work visa for the UK. There are always warnings on the work forums.

The sponsor pays for the visa and the applicant needs an interview, yet people report they paid thousands to someone who said they will get them a visa. Some even get given a CoS number but when they applied for the visa, they get deception on their record and a 10 year ban for using false documents to try to get a visa. Their CoS was either used and sold before (many times) or was not a real CoS.

Tier 2 visa holders are not allowed to work as contracters either, so beware of those give you a CoS for a visa and them farm you out to their clients.

In your position, I would be contacting the sponsor licence holders on that list I gave you and see if they can help you towards getting a Restricted CoS for a work visa. TBH, if you aren't doing a job that is in demand in the UK, then you will struggle to get a sponsor as they can fill that post many times over from those who are allowed to work in the UK.

The easiest visa to the the UK is the spouse visa. That visa allows you to work where you want to and do any job.

Wow, thank you for the warnings! What is a restricted COS and what might my approach be to getting a restricted COS?