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Offline Ben1989

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Curious Lesbian IVF Citizenship Question
« on: October 31, 2017, 01:22:29 PM »
Hi guys,

Quite a unique question arriving. I have a friend at work who is gay and she is paying for IVF treatment so her and her wife can have their first baby.

It is a private exercise where the sperm is from an American citizen. Just to note, the sperm donor and my work friend have, and never will, meet. She only has pictures of the sperm donor as a kid and all his credentials.

I believe technically he is the father and we're wondering will the child be entitled to American citizenship? It got us talking and it gravitated me here to ask if anybody knew or what they thought!

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Re: Curious Lesbian IVF Citizenship Question
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2017, 02:01:42 PM »
Hi guys,

Quite a unique question arriving. I have a friend at work who is gay and she is paying for IVF treatment so her and her wife can have their first baby.

It is a private exercise where the sperm is from an American citizen. Just to note, the sperm donor and my work friend have, and never will, meet. She only has pictures of the sperm donor as a kid and all his credentials.

I believe technically he is the father and we're wondering will the child be entitled to American citizenship? It got us talking and it gravitated me here to ask if anybody knew or what they thought!

Ben

Interesting.

I would think that citizenship would only be affected by who is on the birth certificate. Would the donor be on the birth cert? I would assume not, but I've really got no idea.
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Re: Curious Lesbian IVF Citizenship Question
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2017, 04:34:44 PM »
Interesting.

I would think that citizenship would only be affected by who is on the birth certificate. Would the donor be on the birth cert? I would assume not, but I've really got no idea.

I never thought of the birth certificate! And I believe this is part of the passport approval to prove one of the parents is from America
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Re: Curious Lesbian IVF Citizenship Question
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2017, 04:36:16 PM »
I suspect they've had paperwork drawn up by attorneys declaring him free of any parental responsibility.  And with that, eliminating the ability to ask for US citizenship upon birth.

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Re: Curious Lesbian IVF Citizenship Question
« Reply #4 on: October 31, 2017, 04:37:27 PM »
I never thought of the birth certificate! And I believe this is part of the passport approval to prove one of the parents is from America

Yeah, I think in order to be able to register the birth and apply for a US passport, you would need the US father to be listed on the birth certificate, and you would need to show that he meets the US residency requirement to pass on his citizenship. Also, he would need to go to the US Embassy in London in person to register the child as a US citizen born abroad.

Since he is a sperm donor for IVF treatment, I doubt he would have any legal rights to the child.

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Re: Curious Lesbian IVF Citizenship Question
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2017, 04:38:14 PM »
Hey Ben, how's your little one?  :D
 
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Re: Curious Lesbian IVF Citizenship Question
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2017, 08:33:12 AM »
Yeah it looks like the child won't be eligible for citizenship at all.

Hey Ben, how's your little one?  :D

She's awesome thanks! Really is the happiest baby - we're very lucky.

What was that? You want a picture? Okay  ;D

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Re: Curious Lesbian IVF Citizenship Question
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2017, 08:39:54 AM »
Yeah it looks like the child won't be eligible for citizenship at all.

She's awesome thanks! Really is the happiest baby - we're very lucky.

What was that? You want a picture? Okay  ;D

(coming up once I figure out how to upload pictures)

Haha!  ;D. I think most people use tapatalk or Flickr to do it. The insert image thingy is just above the first smiley on the left.
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Re: Curious Lesbian IVF Citizenship Question
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2017, 09:25:19 AM »
What was that? You want a picture? Okay  ;D

(coming up once I figure out how to upload pictures)

It's super fiddley, but I find tapping/clicking 'insert image' doesn't do anything until I tap/click 'preview'. From that screen, my editable post can be changed to add in an image (but it's been a long time, so I don't remember exactly how to do it). It ends up tiny as an attachment, but people can view it if they click on it.

You can use the same 'preview' trick for hyperlinks. ;)
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Re: Curious Lesbian IVF Citizenship Question
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2017, 10:00:01 AM »
I'm really struggling here :-\\\\
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Re: Curious Lesbian IVF Citizenship Question
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2017, 10:02:39 AM »
Untitled by Ben Hayward, on Flickr
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Re: Curious Lesbian IVF Citizenship Question
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2017, 10:43:15 AM »
 Gorgeous!  ;D
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Re: Curious Lesbian IVF Citizenship Question
« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2017, 11:30:17 AM »
Adorable!

Beautiful eyes!
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Re: Curious Lesbian IVF Citizenship Question
« Reply #13 on: November 01, 2017, 11:48:38 AM »
She has me wrapped around her little finger already
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Re: Curious Lesbian IVF Citizenship Question
« Reply #14 on: November 01, 2017, 12:07:01 PM »
Gorgeous girl Ben!  Nice to hear you are doing so well!!