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Offline sonofasailor

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Brexit?
« on: December 05, 2017, 07:26:03 AM »
What the heck is going on here? Did May not check in with the DUP before she went over?
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Re: Brexit?
« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2017, 10:21:37 AM »
I'm Really happy about this development, now we have the precedent that if Brexit is unbearably stupid for an area, it can stay in.  That certainly counts for London and Scotland at least.  Even after "Brexit" has supposedly happened, Various regions can keep fighting for whatever deal northern Ireland has.

I'm tempted to tell Northern Ireland that Brexit means Brexit and they can live with a hard border.  Tough luck, we all voted to chop our nose off, let's get cutting and place all the blame at the tory's feet.

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Re: Brexit?
« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2017, 10:26:47 AM »
What the heck is going on here? Did May not check in with the DUP before she went over?
Why would she?  I mean, when has anyone in Westminster ever stopped to consider what any of the junior partners want? 

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Re: Brexit?
« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2017, 10:33:28 AM »
What do you guys mean? Is it easily Google-able?
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Re: Brexit?
« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2017, 11:05:03 AM »
I'm Really happy about this development, now we have the precedent that if Brexit is unbearably stupid for an area, it can stay in.  That certainly counts for London and Scotland at least. 
Turn the M25 into a hard border!

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Re: Brexit?
« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2017, 11:11:27 AM »
What do you guys mean? Is it easily Google-able?

I'm paraphrasing, but the morons in charge didn't fully brief the morons they're supposed to be partnering with about the details of their totally stupid plan:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42231497
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Re: Brexit?
« Reply #6 on: December 05, 2017, 01:15:35 PM »
I'm paraphrasing, but the morons in charge didn't fully brief the morons they're supposed to be partnering with about the details of their totally stupid plan:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-42231497

Of course they knew as it was in the DUP conditions because they also want a Brexit. There has been enough about it in the NI papers too.

It struck me that this was game playing to strengthen May's hand. The EU went into the talks saying that this is their final deadline, but came out of the meeting backtracking on that. The move seems to have been designed to force the EU to show their hand.

If you are going to use the BBC for your source, be aware that the BBC has received money from the EU.

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Re: Brexit?
« Reply #7 on: December 05, 2017, 06:45:37 PM »
It struck me that this was game playing to strengthen May's hand.

The old pity technique. Keep screwing things up so bad people feel sorry for you.

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Re: Brexit?
« Reply #8 on: December 05, 2017, 06:49:37 PM »
I've yet to encounter a civil servant who is actually fully functioning and capable of seeing the big picture so I'm not surprised. She's caved on everything else anyway, we will probably end up getting a second referendum at this rate.

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Re: Brexit?
« Reply #9 on: December 05, 2017, 07:30:14 PM »
Of course they knew as it was in the DUP conditions because they also want a Brexit. There has been enough about it in the NI papers too.

It struck me that this was game playing to strengthen May's hand. The EU went into the talks saying that this is their final deadline, but came out of the meeting backtracking on that. The move seems to have been designed to force the EU to show their hand.

If you are going to use the BBC for your source, be aware that the BBC has received money from the EU.

So, just to make sure I understand what you're saying, Mrs May intended for this part of the negotiations to look like a disaster as part of her master plan? And the only reason it looks like a disaster is because the link is from the BBC, and the BBC is biased against Brexit, so they are reporting it according to a narrative that does not reflect reality?

Do I have that right?

If you are going to use the BBC for your source, be aware that the BBC has received money from the EU.

A non-biased source exists, I assume, which is reporting this episode as a master stroke of strategic thinking? Do you have a link to that?

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Re: Brexit?
« Reply #10 on: December 05, 2017, 08:38:09 PM »
So, just to make sure I understand what you're saying, Mrs May intended for this part of the negotiations to look like a disaster as part of her master plan? And the only reason it looks like a disaster is because the link is from the BBC, and the BBC is biased against Brexit, so they are reporting it according to a narrative that does not reflect reality?

Do I have that right?

A non-biased source exists, I assume, which is reporting this episode as a master stroke of strategic thinking? Do you have a link to that?


I can't be the only one that reads the newspapers and twitter? Am I? Quite a few think the same as I do.

If you have missed the last few years of reports about the money the BBC takes from the EU, these are also quite easy to find on a search engine.
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Re: Brexit?
« Reply #11 on: December 05, 2017, 09:12:14 PM »
A non-biased source exists, I assume, which is reporting this episode as a master stroke of strategic thinking? Do you have a link to that?


I can't be the only one that reads the newspapers...

Your non-biased sources of news are UK newspapers? Which ones are the non-biased ones?

...and twitter? Am I?

No, I believe the President of the United States reads Twitter, too.

Quite a few think the same as I do.

Quite a few people thought they were going to get £350 million per week back from the EU because a bus told them so.

Then Nigel Farage said the bus was lying.

If you have missed the last few years of reports about the money the BBC takes from the EU, these are also quite easy to find on a search engine.

So the answer to "Do you have any links" is "no," then?
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Re: Brexit?
« Reply #12 on: December 05, 2017, 10:11:52 PM »
Your non-biased sources of news are UK newspapers? Which ones are the non-biased ones?

Please read what I said again. The views on the EU backtracking on their final date, was what we were talking about here.

No, I believe the President of the United States reads Twitter, too.

Lots of people use social media now.


So the answer to "Do you have any links" is "no," then?

I'm guessing that means you don't know how to use a search engine? I'll look some links up for you later.
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Re: Brexit?
« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2017, 10:45:26 PM »
Brits have known this about the BBC for years.

2012
BBC admits taking nearly 3 million from the EU over the last 4 years.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/bbc/9055183/BBC-admits-receiving-millions-in-grants-from-EU-and-councils.html

2014
The millions in EU funding the BBC tried to hide
https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2014/02/the-millions-in-eu-funding-the-bbc-tried-to-hide/

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Re: Brexit?
« Reply #14 on: December 05, 2017, 11:14:48 PM »
Fine, the BBC gets money from the EU, so let's don't use them as a source of information.

Please read what I said again. The views on the EU backtracking on their final date, was what we were talking about here.

Whatever the truth may be, what's being reported is the disconnect between May and the DUP:

https://news.sky.com/story/foster-did-not-see-brexit-text-until-late-monday-morning-11157757

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/12/05/exclusive-damian-green-blamed-dup-communications-breakdown-led/

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/dup-northern-ireland-arlene-foster-brexit-theresa-may-customs-union-single-market-republic-a8090936.html

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/888465/DUP-Arlene-Foster-Brexit-Northern-Ireland-hard-border-EU-negotiations

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/04/juncker-and-may-fail-to-reach-brexit-deal-amid-dup-doubts-over-irish-border

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5146603/May-races-win-DUP-Brexit-divorce-deal.html

I could keep finding links, but the point is the story that's being told across the spectrum is not the one you're telling about Theresa May's shrewd negotiating skills.

I'm open to the possibility that your point is valid, but I'm not convinced by your vague argument about reading newspapers and Twitter.

If you go to this link to the Open University website, they give a free guide to using search engines, evaluating the information etc
http://www.open.ac.uk/safari/

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Keep typing snarky bu11shit if it makes you happy, but you're not convincing me that your point is based on anything other than what you'd like to be true.

I'll look some links up for you later.

Is that still happening, or are you still busy coming up with sick internet burns?
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