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Converting non-reporting funds to reporting funds
« on: March 08, 2018, 09:27:41 PM »
Probably a stupid question! But is there any way to sell a non-reporting fund and buying an equivalent reporting fund without incurring CG taxes?


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Re: Converting non-reporting funds to reporting funds
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2018, 09:50:37 PM »
Probably a stupid question! But is there any way to sell a non-reporting fund and buying an equivalent reporting fund without incurring CG taxes?

This is exactly what I did before leaving the USA but they were index funds in the same family. e.g. Vanguard Total Stock Market MF VTSAX to Vanguard Total Stock Market ETF VTI.

I don’t know if there are any balanced MF’s that have an equivalent ETF

In general, Vanguard MFs are non reporting and Vanguard ETFs are reporting. I’m sure there are plenty of other examples in other fund families.
« Last Edit: March 08, 2018, 09:51:38 PM by durhamlad »
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Re: Converting non-reporting funds to reporting funds
« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2018, 11:32:56 PM »
Probably a stupid question! But is there any way to sell a non-reporting fund and buying an equivalent reporting fund without incurring CG taxes?
You could leave the UK for 5 complete UK tax years and sell the funds while non-UK resident. 
You can sell funds that show a loss in Sterling without a UK income tax charge.
You can donate the funds to a dually US-UK qualified charity and get both gift aid relief and a US itemized deduction. (I am not sure if the last idea about donations works, but it might.)


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Re: Converting non-reporting funds to reporting funds
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2018, 12:21:25 PM »
Perhaps I could add some comments that may be of assistance or of interest.

Conversion
The Offshore Fund regulations contain specific rules that disapply the standard UK capital gains tax rules that might otherwise have allowed the conversion of a non-reporting class of interest into a reporting interest to be treated as not being a disposal. In other words, such a conversion is treated as a disposal.

Remittance basis election
Rayg could consider selling the non-reporting funds in a tax year where he makes an election to be treated as being taxed on a remittance basis. The remittance basis election need only be made for that single tax year. There would then not be any UK tax provided the funds (or anything later representing the funds) were remitted to the UK.

There would be the other disadvantages of claiming the remittance basis, such as the loss of the personal allowance. The election might not be available if Rayg were a long term resident, or might require him to pay the remittance basis charge.

Donation of funds
Guya makes an interesting suggestion if Rayg wishes to use the funds to make charitable gifts to a dual qualified charity. The structure of a dual qualified charity is that there is a US charity which owns a UK charity. The gift is made to the UK charity.

For UK tax purposes, it would be intended that the gift falls within the rules which broadly provide for a form of Gift Aid on the donation of listed shares and interests in mutual funds. A gift of non-reporting funds should be capable of falling within these rules. The points that would need to be checked are whether the gift would not trigger any charge under the OIG rules on Rayg and the tax position of the charity on a later sale of the mutual funds.

My understanding is that the US has similar rules, but subject to different detailed considerations. Perhaps others could add comments on the US position.




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Re: Converting non-reporting funds to reporting funds
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2018, 07:03:11 PM »


Remittance basis election
Rayg could consider selling the non-reporting funds in a tax year where he makes an election to be treated as being taxed on a remittance basis. The remittance basis election need only be made for that single tax year. There would then not be any UK tax provided the funds (or anything later representing the funds) were remitted to the UK.


I think you mean “provided the funds were NOT remitted”, right?


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Re: Converting non-reporting funds to reporting funds
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2018, 07:11:47 PM »
I think you mean “provided the funds were NOT remitted”, right?
Correct


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