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Value Added Tax
« on: April 01, 2005, 11:22:00 PM »
I've just started having a browse through the article section here and found the page on taxation:

http://www.uk-yankee.com/ukinfo/taxes.php

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Sales taxes are nearly invisible, they are already calculated into costs of goods, so the price you see is the price you pay at the till or checkout. It is called VAT or Value Added Tax, and is 17.5%. It is applied to all goods/services except children's clothes.

The list of goods and services which don't get charged VAT actually extends beyond just children's clothing, including books and magazines, many financial services, and -- perhaps most importantly -- food (although meals in a restaurant and take-outs are taxed).   There is a reduced rate of  5% which applies to several items, including domestic gas and electricity bills.    There are some things which may or may not be taxable depending upon the circumstances, and there is even a subtle distinction between items which are "exempt" and those which are simply "zero rated." 

The rates and classifications have changed many times since VAT was introduced in the 1970s    The entire system was devised by European bureaucrats and is horrendously complex. 

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Re: Value Added Tax
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2005, 04:52:33 PM »
Actually, the complexity doesn't come from the EU, it comes from it's national implementation.

The directive pretty much says that there is a standard sales tax, which all citizen's pay, and all member state recognise.

So, for example, if I buy a computer in the US, I'd (probably) be expected to pay sales tax on the item in the US, and then declare the item at Customs in the UK and pay VAT on top. I would then have to attempt to claim the US sales tax back.

However, if I bought the computer in Germany, I'd pay VAT there, and that would be it. I would have nothing to declare at UK customs.

The member state can then arrange VAT in anyway they like. The UK's quite easy, essential items; children's clothes, cold food, book, newspapers and magazines get charged at 0%; domestic energy at 5% and virtually everything else at 17.5%

Ireland, by comparison, has 4 VAT rates; 21% for luxury goods (like cars); 13.1% for energy, newspapers, hotel, etc; 4.8% for livestock and 0% for cold food and children's clothes, etc.


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Re: Value Added Tax
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2005, 04:47:11 PM »
I'd agree that the British Govt. adds complexity to the system (doesn't it always?), but the VAT system is already unnecessarily convoluted at the basic European level.

For a start, why does it need all the ridiculous payment and reclaiming  of tax all along the chain?   Why not just apply the tax to the final (non-VAT-registered) buyer and have that passed to Customs & Excise?

Perhaps a few words of explanation are in order for our American friends who have only come across VAT as the final customer in the chain. 

Every business or individual registered for VAT (and registration is compulsory for turnovers over a certain amount) has to account for VAT on every sale and purchase.   Supose you opened a store selling widgets.   For every widget you sell, you collect 17.5% VAT and put that down in your accounts as owing to C&E.    When you go to the wholesaler and buy your widgets, you also pay VAT on the purchase price, and enter that VAT as being due back from C&E.  You can also claim back the VAT you have paid on other necessary expenses, such as phone bills, stationery, cleaning materials, etc.

The wholesaler from which you bought your widgets puts down the VAT you paid as owing to C&E, while the VAT he paid to get the widget from the manufacturer is marked as being due from C&E.     The manufacturer will take the VAT paid to him by the wholesaler and give to C&E, while reclaiming the VAT he has paid on his raw materials and other expenses.

Where the chain involves VAT-registered businesses, the VAT part of the transaction gets paid to C&E by one person and reclaimed by another.  The only VAT which actually remains with the government is when the final transaction involves a non-VAT person or business.   So to collect the 17.5% VAT on the final sale price, all the people in the chain have had to shuffle VAT back and forth for nothing. 

It seems to me that it would be far more sensible if VAT-registered businesses just didn't pay VAT in the first place   Why not just have the VAT collected when the sale is to a private (non-VAT) individual and pass that on to the government?   (Which I believe is the way that sales tax is handled in many American states.)

It's even more ridiculous when everybody in the chain is VAT-registered (which has been the case  in much of my work).   In this situation, every penny of VAT paid by one registered-business is reclaimed by another, right around the circle.  Net result as far as VAT is concerned:  Nil.   Since every penny C&E has collected from one person has been paid out to another, the government doesn't profit either.   Except that a few bureaucrats have been kept busy needlessly shuffling paperwork around.

The basic European element of the VAT system also specifies items which are exempt.  It's then up to individual national governments (at present) to set tha actual level of tax on taxable items.   That's why we have the confusion between exempt and zero-rated items, which at first might appear to be the same thing.    As food (for example) is not on the exempt list, the only way the British govt. could avoid taxing food was to declare it as taxable, but with a zero-rate.   

As far as a business is concerned, there is another major difference between exempt and zero-rated.   Somebody trading exclusively in exempt goods and services cannot reclaim the VAT paid on expenses.  Those trading in mostly zero-rated items can.

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Ireland, by comparison, has 4 VAT rates; 21% for luxury goods (like cars);
21% isn't specifically a luxury tax rate in Ireland.  It is the standard rate.  In other words, anything which is not either exempt or explicitly listed under one of the reduced rates gets taxed at 21%.    Just as anything ib the U.K. not listed elsewhere is liable to 17.5% VAT.


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