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Shadows of a dark time
« on: June 30, 2025, 05:19:53 PM »
I remember:  as quite a young woman watching a TV show on, I think, the ABC network. A mini-series.  The Day After. Wiki says that was 1983.

This was before the Internet. Before cell phones & long distance calls still required an operator.  Before cable tv in my area.  I used to do my laundry at a laundromat directly under the end-of-the-runway at Carslwell Air Force Base, a major Strategic Air Command installation.  The B-52s went over so low we could read the writing on the planes.  I remember that everyone, literally almost everyone, watched that mini-series. People gathered in community centers and in churches to watch it. They had it on in like bars and the window-displays of appliance stores, and on the big-screen TV at the mall.  And how absolutely horrifying it was, because it pretty much could have happened at any point back then and people were jolted into realizing that.

It seemed that a lot of people had really only a kind of an esoteric understanding of MAD before watching that TV show.  It was changed after it. It kind of was rubbed right into their faces what the actual reality was.  People who were older back then, who had lived through the 1940s and 1950s as adults, were much more aware of the threat. Maybe because it was new for them in their lifetimes. For younger people it was just a kind of dull background noise hum that had always been there throughout their lives and was easy to not think about.

So I was toodling around on YouTube and what popped up, but The Day After. [Oh, thanks loads, algorithm.] I watched it again, with the same horror, and realized nothing has changed very much.  The sheer number of nukes that MAD dictated have dwindled, thank goodness, but there are still more than enough. It would appear that all the progress we had been making could simply vanish in an instant, if either Putin or Trump goes mental. Or more mental. Or if someone elsewhere does. I really have no confidence in either of them at this point, and there's enough going on around the world that it could well be someone else that starts it. Fallout knows no political boundaries.

Not that you need to see this show. It's a bit dated, and it's "made-for-tv" acting, but maybe you might want to if you're, say, under 50.  It's what we lived with back then, every damned day. Knowing that this was hovering just over our heads.  I really don't want to see that reality again for my offspring or for you.  But I'm seeing familiar shadows these days.

It's here. 

« Last Edit: July 01, 2025, 04:55:07 PM by OldLady »
'I wish none of this had happened.'
Gandalf: 'So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us. There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides that of evil.


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Re: Shadows of a dark time
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2025, 08:51:06 AM »
Maybe you'd like this one made by the BBC:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threads_(1984_film).  Not sure if I watched it, if so it's been a while.


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Re: Shadows of a dark time
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2025, 03:43:27 PM »
Maybe you'd like this one made by the BBC:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threads_(1984_film).  Not sure if I watched it, if so it's been a while.

I assume this is directed to someone other than me, because I didn't "like" the original. Reflections of that reality are not in any way pleasant.

For those who just happen to like anti-war/anti-nuke videos, I think there was also an animated one that David Bowie did the sound track for that was quite moving.  I remember the animation was excellent.
'I wish none of this had happened.'
Gandalf: 'So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us. There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides that of evil.


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Re: Shadows of a dark time
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2025, 06:10:11 PM »
And just because I'm always on the edge of paranoia these days, it seems:  I just had several exceptionally large military transport aircraft fly over as I was outside cleaning up my car. Four propeller engines each, but they whined like they had jets as well. (Turbo prop perhaps? I'm not familiar. I can ID a B-17 or a Lancaster by the engine sound, but not the new ones. And these were transports, not bombers.)  I have seen the occasional transport fly over, very rarely. Not in multiples, ever. These were gray, so I assume Air Force.

I guess it's down to "stuff" is either going on now, or about to go on, or they are repositioning aircraft for near-future "stuff". Don't like it, no matter which of those it turns out to be.

God forbid the cargo will be human.
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'I wish none of this had happened.'
Gandalf: 'So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us. There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides that of evil.


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Re: Shadows of a dark time
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2025, 04:43:03 PM »
Maybe you'd like this one made by the BBC:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threads_(1984_film).  Not sure if I watched it, if so it's been a while.

One of the scariest films i've ever seen.


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Re: Shadows of a dark time
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2025, 10:41:59 PM »
Slight change of subject here.

I've been watching military aircraft tracking over Europe (and the US & Caribbean, when I can) and paying attention to what's going on in Eastern Europe a bit more than I used to do.  It's unnerving when almost all NATO aircraft, or even just USA aircraft, turn off their transponders. I have to assume some serious stuff is either happening or threatening to happen and my heart just drops.  Last night was a nail-biter, given what was dispatched from where and then went dark. And how civilian aircraft were acting like a bait-ball in the ocean, avoiding a predator.

I knew Russia has been messing with airports in Europe (Denmark, Norway, Germany, Lithuania, Poland) using drones and balloons, shutting them down at times. And over-flying military and other installations. And jamming Denmark's coms and cutting undersea cables. I also knew they were lobbing a ridiculous amount of ordnance at Ukraine.  But seeing what they launched on them last night is just horrifying. Those poor people on the ground...omg.   https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1974728625418080658

All of which leads me to a dilemma. We had been exploring where to go if it looks like it's untenable for us to stay here. I had been thinking of Europe, since neither Ireland nor the UK will let the daughter in with me.  If Russia isn't contained, I'm not sure how much safer it would be anywhere in Europe. It would be a different kind of danger. We had been considering Estonia, the north of France, or Spain. Estonia is waaaaay to close to Russia, so it's marked off the list. Closer in, Canada won't let me in because I'm too old. Climate plays a huge part in where we cannot go (can't get much warmer than 75F, really, without central air). For the life of me, I'm not seeing which way to jump next.


 
« Last Edit: October 06, 2025, 04:20:21 PM by OldLady »
'I wish none of this had happened.'
Gandalf: 'So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us. There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides that of evil.


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Re: Shadows of a dark time
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2025, 02:00:37 PM »
It's still looking like France. If things go badly at the mid-terms next year I'm not going to stick around another two years. I'm getting too old to be pulling up stakes and moving halfway across the globe, but if I have to go I think the daughter would have her best chances in France. Assuming I can get her in with me. If she finds work here and wants to stay, she can come to visit me.  :-\\\\   With today's technology, there is nowhere in the world that is safe from a war. I'd be willing to settle for being safe from one's own government.

Uruguay was another choice, but with Trump doing what he's doing in this hemisphere I can imagine that Americans will shortly not be popular at all anywhere south of the border.  Too bad, as my Spanish is passable.

It's odd, really. I just found out I have a Huguenot ancestor from a place not very far at all from the towns I was checking out in France. I wonder, sometimes about omens.  ;)  And here and I thought that Covid popping up on my Bingo card was going to be the weirdest turn in my life....
« Last Edit: November 17, 2025, 10:23:08 PM by OldLady »
'I wish none of this had happened.'
Gandalf: 'So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us. There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides that of evil.


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Re: Shadows of a dark time
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2025, 05:09:30 PM »
I'm discovering that French is remarkably easier to read than I had expected.  I am still having hell with comprehending spoken French, though. (Lessons every night on YouTube.)
'I wish none of this had happened.'
Gandalf: 'So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us. There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides that of evil.


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