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Electrical outlets & Bathrooms
« on: September 16, 2005, 11:49:25 PM »
Prompted by the thread "I'm not in Kansas Anymore", from which the following quotes are taken:

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What was the first thing that jolted you into thinking "I'm not in Kansas anymore"??
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having to use a pullcord to turn on the bathroom light..
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....or not having power outlets in the bathroom!
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having to flip a switch to get an outlet to work!!!
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All of these can be changed if they really bug you...... :)
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I thought the no power outlets in the bathroom thing was a law! Do tell, Paul!!!

O.K., take a deep breath....... ;)

Despite the popular misconception to the contrary, there is no actual law against having electrical outlets in a bathroom.  


The Institution of Electrical Engineers has for many years (since 1882 in fact) published a guide which is generally called the "I.E.E. Wiring Regulations" or "I.E.E. Regs." for short.  

This has been accepted as a working standard by the British electrical industry since early times, and although generally recognized as good practice, there are certainly stances which the I.E.E. takes which are not universally accepted elsewhere in the world.   The peculiar British ring circuit is one such example, while "no outlets in the bathroom" is another (special isolated shaver outlets excepted).

The exact title of the I.E.E publication has changed over the years, but the word "regulations" has been part of it right from the start, which is quite probably what leads to the misconception.   English law does not actually require wiring to comply with these "regulations," so they are really more like suggestions.

So although the "Regs." say no sockets in the bathroom, there is nothing in law to prevent you from having one installed if you wish.

The pullcord light switch is another area which gives rise to confusion.

Notwithstanding that the I.E.E. Wiring Regs. are not law, many people -- even some electricians -- mistakenly believe that the rules do not allow a normal light switch in a bathroom.  In fact they simply specify that any such switch should not be placed within reach of a person in the tub or shower.   Admittedly in some of the postage-stamp sized British bathrooms that would amount to the same thing ;) , but in a decent-size bathroom it's possible to meet the standard. with a regular wall switch.   (It's also quite acceptable to have a normal switch located outside the bathroom door.)

As for the switches built in to outlets elsewhere in the house, there is no actual requirement in the I.E.E. standard to have them at all.  It's really only convention which has resulted in switched sockets becoming the norm here.  

If having to turn on the switches (and remembering that down is on!) really bugs you, then unswitched outlets are easily obtainable which can fitted in place of the switched types:



Questions will now be accepted from the audience, and there will be a quiz on the topic next week.   ;D


  • Note:  Everything stated here relates to a private,  residential house in England or Wales.    The situation is different in Scotland, where the local building regulations have for many years quoted the I.E.E. Wiring Regulations, thus giving them the force of law.  It is also different in commercial buildings, as the various Health & Safety at Work Acts also refer to the IEE Regs. explicitly.

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Re: Electrical outlets & Bathrooms
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2005, 01:20:44 AM »
Notwithstanding that the I.E.E. Wiring Regs. are not law, many people -- even some electricians -- mistakenly believe that the rules do not allow a normal light switch in a bathroom.  In fact they simply specify that any such switch should not be placed within reach of a person in the tub or shower.   Admittedly in some of the postage-stamp sized British bathrooms that would amount to the same thing ;) , but in a decent-size bathroom it's possible to meet the standard. with a regular wall switch.   (It's also quite acceptable to have a normal switch located outside the bathroom door.)

Thanks, Paul! Yes, my bathroom is typically tiny, so I'd have to go with the outside-the-bathroom-door switch -- which would still be an improvement! Good info! :)
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« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2005, 08:04:39 AM »
I'd have to go with the outside-the-bathroom-door switch --

I've had this in all my houses/flats in the UK.


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Re: Electrical outlets & Bathrooms
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2005, 10:11:51 AM »
I just want to say that the electric shower surely makes a nonsense out of the whole no electricity in the bathroom thing. Or it does in my mind. :)

But I do have two questions. Why do you have to switch off the plugs at all, is there a real fire hazard if you don't and if that is the case then why don't you switch off the plug for the refrigerator or freezer for example, too? Which leads me to tell my husband he is nuts.

And the other is more a gripe than a question. Why are there never enough outlets in a room?


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Re: Electrical outlets & Bathrooms
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2005, 01:06:43 PM »
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I just want to say that the electric shower surely makes a nonsense out of the whole no electricity in the bathroom thing.

It does indeed.   The I.E.E.'s continued "no sockets" stance is one I've never been able to understand given that they seem quite happy to allow 240 volts inside the shower cubicle behind just a flimsy plastic cover!    

The wiring rules in Ireland are similar, but just about every other European country allows outlets, as do the U.S. and Canada, of course.    In my opinion it comes down to suitable positioning of the outlet and common sense in the way it's used.   I mean, if you're silly enough to use a hair dryer while actually sitting in a tub full of water.......   :o


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Why do you have to switch off the plugs at all, is there a real fire hazard if you don't

No.  So long as everything else is installed properly there's no hazard.  If you have some device which doesn't have a built-in switch and you want to turn it off, you could do exactly what you do in America -- Pull the plug!  

As I said, the switches are really only there by convention.  They're found in other countries which were British-influenced (e.g. Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa), but they're not normally used in Continental Europe or other parts of the world.

The convention quite possibly arose  partly due to the fact that some supplies in the past were DC (Direct Current) instead of AC (Alternating Current), mostly in the older parts of cities which were wired for electricity in the very early days.    The I.E.E. rules did require integral or adjacent switches on outlets where DC was employed.  Even though the rules never specified switches for AC power, the fact that DC-powered houses in some towns already had switched outlets probably contributed to the continued use of switches even where not required.   That's my theory anyway.  :)

(By the way, the argument over AC vs. DC power goes right back to Thomas Edison and George Westinghouse in the 19th century and is a soap opera in itself!)


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Why are there never enough outlets in a room?

In the U.S. the NEC (National Electrical Code) requires an outlet within 6 ft. of a doorway and at least every 12 ft. around the outside of the room, the idea being that an appliance with a standard 6 ft. cord will reach wherever it's placed (and although the NEC is not law in itself, most state/county/city jurisdictions in the U.S. quote the NEC in their local building codes, thus making it mandatory).

The I.E.E. standard in Britain on the other hand, specifies how things must be wired, but makes no requirement as to what should be provided.   Unfortunately, a lot of places were wired with economy rather than convenience in mind (and many still are, although it's improved somewhat over the years).

Skimping on outlets is really false economy in many ways.   The cost of going back and adding an outlet later is manyfold greater than if it had been fitted during the installation in the first place.


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Re: Electrical outlets & Bathrooms
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2005, 01:15:11 PM »
Thanks for the informative answers. One more question, if you don't mind? As we don't have enough outlets, the outlets we do have end up getting overused, with those square add-ons plugged in and/or extension cords with extra plugholes in them. Is that safe? In the back of my mind I worried that the outlet is getting overloaded and that might be a hazard, although I do not know what I am basing this on.
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« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2005, 03:23:27 PM »
I live in a relatively new flat (like in the last 5 years) and I was over the moon when I viewed the place and saw how many sockets there are!!  There seems to be an abundance!

In our old house there seemed to be too few - so I feel like I have hit the socket jack-pot!!

Of course that's just more of the little suckers for me to turn off so the electrons don't escape!!  ;)  ;D
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Re: Electrical outlets & Bathrooms
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2005, 05:54:36 PM »
the outlets we do have end up getting overused, with those square add-ons plugged in and/or extension cords with extra plugholes in them. Is that safe?

If you're only using the adapters and extensions for low-powered equipment such as floor lamps, radios, TV, VCR, computer etc. then it's not a problem.

A single 13-amp outlet can run up to about 3000 watts, so when you start plugging in multiple high-power appliances (heater, kettle, toaster, microwave oven, washing machine etc.) you're starting to tread on riskier ground.   Some of the cheap imported adapters and power strips can also be of dubious quality -- Fine for low-power use but not really good for anything more.

The best way to play it safe is to plug all heavy appliances directly into a wall outlet and only use adapters and power strips for the light-duty stuff.    (And although the voltages, currents, and plugs are different, the same advice applies in America.)

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Re: Electrical outlets & Bathrooms
« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2005, 05:56:34 PM »
Of course that's just more of the little suckers for me to turn off so the electrons don't escape!!  ;)  ;D

LOL!  ;D

You know, there are times I've used that joke and somebody has -- in all seriousness --- actually asked if that could really happen!     ::) 
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Re: Electrical outlets & Bathrooms
« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2005, 06:29:14 PM »
You know, there are times I've used that joke and somebody has -- in all seriousness --- actually asked if that could really happen!     ::) 

you mean you were joking??   ;D ;)
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