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Andalucia anyone?
« on: November 26, 2005, 08:16:37 PM »
It's that time of year again...time for DH & I to start planning next year's travels!  Yaye!  After DH & I discussing possibly somewhere in France (his choice) and then Italy (my choice), I think we have done a compromise on returning again to Spain - thereby making further use of his 4+ yrs of Spanish classes.  We did Barcelona & Madrid in Oct 04...so we are thinking of heading south to Andalucia this time around.

But Andalucia is huge!  So right now, we are looking at the eastern bit -- Granada, Las Alpujarras, Cabo de Gato, and around that area.  However, I think we'd need to fly into Malaga or possibly Almeria.

Anyone been?  Any suggestions?
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Re: Andalucia anyone?
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2005, 02:36:28 AM »
no, but I've heard it is gorgeous!!  :)

have a great trip!


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Re: Andalucia anyone?
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2005, 05:10:47 PM »
Absolutely, great choice. Granada is gorgeous with the massive Alhambra on the hill. If you are at all into socialising, Granada has quite the nightlife. Tapas bars give out free tapas with drink orders at night. It's a college town so lively and fun. This region of Spain is full of surprises, like the cliff houses near Almeria and even the Hollywood town where they used to shoot old westerns and now is a little theme park. Cabo de Gata is beautiful. I didn't venture too far in as I was on a budget and stayed at Camping Cabo de Gata in the small town of San Miguel. We traveled by bus throughout the region and it was just enchanting. You can fly in to Almeria, may budget airlines go there like Easyjet and Ryan Air. Though not knowing where you live, check out this site for flight info: http://www.wordtravels.com/Cities/Spain/Costa+Almeria/CheapFlights

If you hire a car you'll have an easier change exploring the area.


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Re: Andalucia anyone?
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2005, 05:37:53 PM »
Ooooooo! I am jealous! Sounds like a fab trip. Have a great time! :)
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Re: Andalucia anyone?
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2005, 01:19:02 PM »
Thanks for the tips, delara & for the well wishes from others.  The trip is still very much in the planning stages -- we probably won't go until at least spring, but that's how we spend the winter...daydreaming of our next travel adventure. :)

delara - We usually fly out of Leeds/Bradford (if we can) or sometimes Manchester, so I'm not sure about the Easyjet or Ryanair connections -- we frequently go Jet2 & they fly to Malaga & Almeria I think.  Will have a look into the link you sent.  I think you are right on the nightlife bit & we've found that to be true elsewhere in Spain -- they're certainly on a different timetable!  Hubby & I, being old fogies :P - sometimes struggle with the late late nights now!  He has fond memories of a family vacation to San Jose in Cabo de Gata, when he was a child -- so I think we'll probably be going there & to fulfill my requirements of somewhere beachy.  Right now, I'm reading Driving over Lemons about that guy who upped sticks from England and moved to be a sheep farmer in Las Alpujarras.
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Re: Andalucia anyone?
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2005, 04:27:30 PM »
We went on a week's tour last May - it was wonderful. Flew into Malaga, which is a diabolical place, but then went over the mountains to Seville, stopping at Ronda on the way, a few days in Seville, then last few days in Granada, stopping in Cordoba (to see the Great Mosque) on the way.
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Re: Andalucia anyone?
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2005, 04:36:13 PM »
That book is nutty...

um.. I definately recommend Granada as the place to go... just beyond amazing.. Ronda is lovely as well.  Cadiz is a bit far south but if you have time and car or even the train it's worth it.  Plop down in a chiriquito de la playa, digs your toes in the sand, and wait for some happy drunk women to start signing or dancing flamenco.  Do be aware of the copioius amounts of chest hair and gold medalions that the older men still wear.  ;D

There are a lot of white towns around Ronda as well and well worth the visit I hear. 

Hope you enjoy!  I keep going back to BCC, because I have friends there and most of the conferences have been there, but I can't wait for an excuse to take hubby to Spain instead of Catalonia.
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Re: Andalucia anyone?
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2005, 04:44:01 PM »

 Do you want to grow up to be a Debaser?

Sounds like a rollicking, frollicking great time! Never been myself but would love to someday!  Say . . . taking any trunks with you? ? ?
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Re: Andalucia anyone?
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2005, 02:39:22 PM »
If you go in May I bet you'll have the beaches in the Parque Nacional Cabo de Gata all to yourselves. I was there in October and we literally had our own beach. It was, quite possible THE most romantic thing ever. Next time I go I'm bringing a box of sangria with me for a proper sunset viewing.

I also recommend, if you are going that far west, Seville. In fact, you'd probably find cheaper fares there as it is a bigger hub than Almeria. Seville is worth its own trip and is, by far, one of my favorite cities in Spain (behind Barcelona).

On the airfare kick, check out this site: www.skyscanner.net. It is a budget airline search engine. You can't book through it but you can research fares on all the no frills. According to skyscanner you can fly into Malaga from Leeds Bradford.
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Re: Andalucia anyone?
« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2005, 07:21:00 PM »
We went on a week's tour last May - it was wonderful. Flew into Malaga, which is a diabolical place, but then went over the mountains to Seville, stopping at Ronda on the way, a few days in Seville, then last few days in Granada, stopping in Cordoba (to see the Great Mosque) on the way.

Why do you say Malaga is diabolical?  Is it just typical overdeveloped Costa del Sol kind of stuff or what?

My initial idea was we should try to do Seville, Ronda, Cordoba, and Granada -- wow!  You did all that in one week?  But DH reminded me that I want my beach time (hence the plan for Cabo de Gata) and we really like to hang around places for awhile, getting the feel of a place, taking our time, etc rather than a whistle-stop tour of all the must-see places.  Didn't you feel rushed squeezing all of that into a week?  We're thinking of spending two weeks, but narrowing it down to the areas I mentioned.  Now I wonder if we should try to do more?  Hmmmm.
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There is a crack, a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in...

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Re: Andalucia anyone?
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2005, 07:25:22 PM »
That book is nutty...

um.. I definately recommend Granada as the place to go... just beyond amazing.. Ronda is lovely as well.  Cadiz is a bit far south but if you have time and car or even the train it's worth it.  Plop down in a chiriquito de la playa, digs your toes in the sand, and wait for some happy drunk women to start signing or dancing flamenco.  Do be aware of the copioius amounts of chest hair and gold medalions that the older men still wear.  ;D

Yes I finished the book -- fun book! :)

Granada sounds wonderfully beautiful what with the mountains & all.  I would like to see Ronda & Cadiz too...but just wondering how much to fit in.  We also thought we could go back another year & do that side of Andalucia.  I definitely hope we get in on some authentic flamenco action...into that spirit of duende!  I dig hairy men so that's ok, but not too keen on the gold medallions... :P
Ring the bells that still can ring
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That's how the light gets in...

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Re: Andalucia anyone?
« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2005, 07:28:13 PM »

 Do you want to grow up to be a Debaser? 

Yes

  Say . . . taking any trunks with you? ? ? 

No.  ;)

If you go in May I bet you'll have the beaches in the Parque Nacional Cabo de Gata all to yourselves. I was there in October and we literally had our own beach. It was, quite possible THE most romantic thing ever. Next time I go I'm bringing a box of sangria with me for a proper sunset viewing. 

Now that sounds really nice!
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Re: Andalucia anyone?
« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2006, 12:29:54 PM »
Sorry for the long post...our latest travelog: :)

Ok, after daydreaming about it for the better part of a year, we've completed our first Andalucia trip!  We flew Leeds/Bradford to Malaga & immediately got the coach to Granada, where we spent the first night.  That day/night was spent just having a quick look around Granada & securing accommodation for when we returned to Granada.  Picked up our rental car in Granada the next morning & headed for Las Alpujarras (lower foothills/mountains & valleys of the Sierra Nevada).  (DH booked the car through a Spanish language website & it was considerably cheaper than going through its English counterpart -- like paying the same number of euros for the rental car as the English site was quoting in pounds.)

We stayed four nights in the mountain village of Capileira.  Just gorgeous!  Our hostal was amazingly clean, friendly & with a view.  The people in town (restaurants, shops, etc) wonderfully warm & friendly.  Of course, we went on some long & (for me) hurty walks --  not as long as what we might sometimes do in England but certainly more challenging in terms of ascending/descending altitudes.  The first day's walk we got lost toward sundown & were fortunately 'rescued' by a local & his little dog who got us back on the right path.  The second day, one of the townpeoples' sheepdogs just took up with us & walked with us all day -- we decided to call him Fidel.  We didn't attempt to scale Veleta or Mulhacen, although I would have liked to see some ibex.  Neither of us felt my fitness level was up to those climbing challenges as well as not fancying a camp-out in one of the refugios.

Then we drove on to San Jose in Cabo de Gata.  Same experience there - sparkling clean, amazing accommodation (hostal).  The Cabo de Gata area is a natural park area & is not dire like many of the Spanish costa areas.  From what I understand, it's a common area for Spanish & Italians to holiday there in the summer -- but being there in October, for us it was not at all crowded.  The beaches are quite European in nature... ;)  I felt the San Jose beach was a little scruffy -- too many cigarette butts in the sand, etc, but since we had a car we were able to go to some of the more out-of-the-way beaches in the area.  Favorites were Agua Amarga (though it was a bit too rocky in the water, so wished I had some of the aqua shoes or whatever they're called), and then the Isleta del Moro area.  But there were loads more out-of-the-way beaches to explore (some which you can only walk to or get to via dirt tracks) than we had time for -- plus it was a bit cooler the last day.

Almeria province has a kind of weirdness about it -- sort of desert-like terrain, until you're right at the beach area itself.  And it's strange seeing the 'plasticultura' (sp?) thing there, with the enormous greenhouses that I guess are not a great thing in many ways.

We drove back to Granada then & stayed four more nights.  Like my other (limited) experiences in Spanish cities, it grew on me the longer I was there.  My first reaction seems to be, oh I'm not too sure about this...but then I like it more the longer I stay.  The Alhambra is simply amazing beyond comprehension - definitely it alone is worth the trip to Granada.  Too bad it was cloudy & a bit rainy the day we were there so Steve couldn't get the photos he was hoping for (guess we'll have to back again someday!).  I was hoping to see some of the Lorca sites -- but the ones in which I was most interested - his birth place & the place where they killed & buried him, are both a bit out of town from Granada itself & kind of awkward to get to (we had already turned the hire car in by then).  So maybe another trip for that too. :)  The last night, we attended a small flamenco performance (we had seen a little flyer/poster in a tapas bar) -- which I'm sure wasn't the 'real deal' kind of thing you might stumble upon deep in the Sacramonte but it wasn't a totally cheesey tourist show either.  In a small, dark bar, it featured a young trio - one guitarist, one cantaora, & one bailaora.  I don't understand much Spanish at all, but it really was a riveting performance & left us wanting more.

We then took the coach back to Malaga where we spent the last night & day (before our flight home which didn't leave until after 6 pm) exploring there.  Malaga is a bit more resort-y, gateway to the (maybe not so nice?) Spanish Costa del Sol -- where it's not uncommon to see more British stuff (full English breakfast, British people, British pubs etc etc) than Spanish things.  'S alright for some, but DH & I are of the mind that if we want to only have the comforts of home when we go abroad, then why not just stay home?

That said, I didn't fancy the food we had while there as much as the fare I've had on our visits previously to Barcelona & Madrid.  I didn't like the tapas as much.  Also, and I know this is something I need to work on & just 'get over' -- well I'm not that keen on a lot of seafood, particularly the fish with the heads & eyes still on 'em - nor do I enjoy faffing about with taking shells & heads off prawns & stuff like that.  Nonetheless, you can't go wrong with a glass of fino, and chorizo & queso.  Also, I had a habas con jamon tapa that I really enjoyed.  I wanted to try the white gazpacho but we were told it really wasn't in season during our time there.

Another highlight...well, my Brazilian friend & her husband & family are now living in Madrid (until next June).  I told her we were going to be in Spain, and she drove down to Granada for a night to meet up with us.  I hadn't seen her for 21 years - so that was a real treat!  We are already planning a long weekend sometime next spring to go to Madrid & stay at hers, meet the family (she's had three children since we last met - two of whom are teenagers!), etc.  After that, I guess we'll be forced to visit them in Rio <sigh> in one of these years to come... ;) :)

Well I've rambled on long enough.  There are other weird & wonderful things that happened, but that's the basic outline of the holiday.
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There is a crack, a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in...

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Re: Andalucia anyone?
« Reply #13 on: October 29, 2006, 06:07:01 AM »
That sounds fantastic, Carolyn! So glad you had a good time. Now you've got me wanting a holiday ...  :-\\\\
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Re: Andalucia anyone?
« Reply #14 on: October 29, 2006, 09:03:17 AM »
That sounds fantastic, Carolyn! So glad you had a good time. Now you've got me wanting a holiday ...  :-\\\\

If you could just get that Guy out of the country! :P

Seriously, I know it sounds like a lot, but we didn't end up spending nearly as much money as I think Steve thought we would.  We are both pretty thorough planners, always looking for the best way to get more travel for less money.  (We don't do first class at all.)

We had cheap flights on Jet2 out of LBA.  And Steve thought to look for the better deals on Spanish-language websites, as I indicated...etc. :)
Ring the bells that still can ring
Forget your perfect offering
There is a crack, a crack in everything
That's how the light gets in...

- from Anthem, by Leonard Cohen (b 1934)


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