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Safe to hook up U.S. electronics in UK?
« on: October 29, 2006, 02:58:16 PM »
I've found lots of info about the adapters and tranformers and voltage converters I'd need to get everything from U.S. fans to printers to vacuum cleaners to work in the UK. But is there a risk of electric shock or fire using those items in the UK?


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Re: Safe to hook up U.S. electronics in UK?
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2006, 11:41:18 AM »
If done properly, there should be no more risk then normal.

Most UK plug adapters for US devices are actually much safer then stuff we find in the US, because they are independently fused and have insertion guards built right into them.  So little hand trying to stick stuff in the socket will be almost impossible.
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Re: Safe to hook up U.S. electronics in UK?
« Reply #2 on: November 01, 2006, 02:05:48 AM »
Ah, that's good to know!


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Re: Safe to hook up U.S. electronics in UK?
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2006, 11:22:23 AM »
So long as you use good quality units which are rated high enough for the appliance(s) you're trying to run, there should be no problems.

Avoid the bargain-basement type of converters which are anything but a simple transformer.  The switched-mode converters can pften be identified by being very light and low priced for the power offered, e.g. £10 for 1000 watts or something like that.  These converters can not only run hot if you attempt to use them at anything like the specified power, but the pwoer you get from them is also unsuitable for many appliances.

Stick with good quality transformers.  You'll pay a little more, but they'll be far superior and will last almost indefinitely.

Some examples:

http://www.newmarket-transformers.co.uk/

http://www.airlinktransformers.com/
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« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2006, 12:28:07 AM »
so are all of those horror stories about people blowing fuses and their hair-dryers just due to cheap transformer/converters, then?

The only electronic device I'm bringing with me is my laptop, and I really don't want to take any chances with it. DH2B came up with the idea of just getting a UK power adaptor for dell.co.uk, but as my laptop is several years old and discontinued (Inspiron 1100), I'm not sure that this will be possible.

Will those links you posted be safe with computers, too?
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Re: Safe to hook up U.S. electronics in UK?
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2006, 12:31:59 AM »
I can't speak for PCs, but from the start Macs have always been able to run on both 110 and 220. All that you need to do is buy the cheap socket converters for a Mac and it will run just fine. The same is true for ipods.


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« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2006, 12:39:50 AM »
Hm... well that's a good sign. I know that PCs can't compete with Macs, but as they go, Dells are pretty high quality, so maybe there's hope after all!
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Re: Safe to hook up U.S. electronics in UK?
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2006, 01:08:58 AM »
Just to clear the air on that, not ALL Macs are able to switch voltage. I had to have a new power supply put into my 2-year-old iMac. :P


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Re: Safe to hook up U.S. electronics in UK?
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2006, 02:20:04 AM »
wow, what model is that? I've never heard of a Mac not ready for both voltage, and I've been using them since '85. You're right, since it's your machine, but that's odd to me.


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Re: Safe to hook up U.S. electronics in UK?
« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2006, 10:14:52 AM »
so are all of those horror stories about people blowing fuses and their hair-dryers just due to cheap transformer/converters, then?
On the whole, I'd say yes.  Either that or trying to run with a transformer which is too small for the appliance (hair dryers take a fair amount of power).   

The waveform you get from your wall outlet is a sinewave, so named because it follows the mathematical sine function.  If you plot the voltage against time, it looks like this:



A similar plot of the power you obtain from some of the cheap & nasty converters looks more like this squarewave:



I won't go into the technical details as to why some appliances don't like running on that type of power, but you can see how the waveforms are quite different. 

When you use a standard transformer, you get a sinewave just like the one from the wall outlet, just at a different voltage.   The only difference between the 120V power from a transformer in the U.K. and the 120V power from a wall outlet in the States is that the frequency is different:  50Hz here vs. 60Hz (cycles per second) in the U.S.

While there are a few devices which won't run properly on the wrong frequency, it is much less likely to cause problems than the sine/square issue. 

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Will those links you posted be safe with computers, too?
Yes.  All modern computers will run fine on either 50 or 60Hz power.

I'm not that familiar with Macs, so I can't comment on whether single/dual-voltage power supplies are common or not, but if you can't switch the computer to 240V directly, then using a suitable transformer from one of the above links to drop down to 120V will be fine.
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Re: Safe to hook up U.S. electronics in UK?
« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2006, 12:13:35 PM »
Not all Macs do...  Also some PCs would run into the same problem.  As far as I know would be those Macs that have CRTs built into them.  Most TVs/CRTs that have a tube will never be auto switching because they often relay about the Hz frequency for displaying the scanlines.  This is not an issue with modern LCD screens, but again you should always check the label on the device.  In a lot of cases your computer monitor may not work, but your CPU will.

Also, a lot of "older" computers don't automatically switch.  A lot of the power supplies have a little red "switch" on the back that allows it to move from 110V to 240V.  If you plug it in and it you don't have the switch in the proper position... *Kapow*
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Re: Safe to hook up U.S. electronics in UK?
« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2006, 01:48:04 PM »
Not all Macs do...  Also some PCs would run into the same problem.  As far as I know would be those Macs that have CRTs built into them.

Ah, that's it. I've never schlepped a desktop over, just my laptops. Thanks to both for claifying this!


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Re: Safe to hook up U.S. electronics in UK?
« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2006, 03:41:41 PM »
Most TVs/CRTs that have a tube will never be auto switching because they often relay about the Hz frequency for displaying the scanlines. 
The scan rate is not related to the power frequency, and in fact it changes depending upon the display mode in use (e.g. I'm running with 38kHz horizontal, 60.5Hz vertical scan in the 800x600 SVGA mode I'm using at the moment, but if I switch down to 640x480 EGA mode that changes to 31.5kHz/70.3Hz).

I think what you might have in mind is the fact that many older monitors were fitted with power supplies which were for 120 or 240V input only.   Even though the original IBM PC way back in 1981 had a switchable 120/240 power supply for the system unit, the monitors were sold separately as 120 or 240V versions for individual world markets, and that distinction continued for many years, and to the present-day in some cases.

A lot of modern monitors -- both LCD and CRT -- do now use power supplies which can not only run on both voltages but which are auto-switching.  If you look on the back of the monitor and the label says something like "90 to 250 volts" then it's almost certainly of that type.

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Also, a lot of "older" computers don't automatically switch.  A lot of the power supplies have a little red "switch" on the back that allows it to move from 110V to 240V.  If you plug it in and it you don't have the switch in the proper position... *Kapow*

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Re: Safe to hook up U.S. electronics in UK?
« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2006, 12:42:10 AM »
Thanks so much! I didn't understand half of what you wrote, but the pictures helped!  ;D And I'm sure my DH2B will get it. I'll send him a link of the thread. (Though he might know all this already, and it's just me being dense) ;)

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