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Showers?!?!?
« on: March 09, 2007, 11:47:28 AM »
when i first moved into this house, i started an electrical fire with the shower.  not sure if that was a power/electric/whathave you.  so we replaced it with what i THINK is an electric shower.

we're going to be redoing the entire bathroom soon and i wanted help in deciding if we need/want power/electric/mains/auxillary pump shower.  what's the difference?

i don't really care what it is as long as I have GOOD/GREAT water pressure.  i would **prefer** not to have an ugly box on top of the tiles.  since we're redoing the entire bathroom (taking tiles off) there's an opporutnity to hide that behind the tiles i think.  the back of the shower backs onto the insdie of the airing cupbard where the water tank is.  if that helps...

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Re: Showers?!?!?
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2007, 12:35:12 PM »
power/electric/mains/auxillary pump shower.  what's the difference?

The instantaneous electric shower is connected directly to the incoming "mains" (city water) supply, and heats the water on demand as it passes through the unit.  It has the advantage that you're only paying to heat water that you actually use for as long as the shower is running (although if you already have a cylinder full of hot water for the rest of the house, that might not be of great importance anyway).   

The main disadvantage is that because the water is heated as it passes through the unit, the output temperature depends upon the rate of flow and the temperature of the cold water entering.   In other words, you have to reduce the rate of flow in order to raise the temperature.   If you like hot, forceful showers, you might be disappointed with the results.   The electric shower also needs its own dedicated electrical circuit (if you already have one, be aware that it might not be sufficient if you upgrade to a higher-powered shower).

The basic mixer shower (with no electrical involvement) takes water from both hot and cold storage tanks/cisterns.  If you have the traditional British plumbing arrangement with a cold cistern in the attic, these will be at the same relatively low pressure, since gravity is the only force behind them.    Pressure can depend very much upon the head of water available.  If the storage cistern in the roof space is only a couple of feet above the shower head, the pressure can be quite low.

This is where the pumped shower enters the picture.  It still takes both hot and cold water from your tanks, but adds an electric pump to increase the pressure and flow rate.       If you like a hot shower with some force behind it, you'll find this option generally gives far superior results to the instant electric showers.    There are pumped showers which come in a wall-mount box which from the outside looks exactly like the instant electric shower, but it's also possible to fit an auxiliary pump under the bathtub or in an adjoining cupboard  and then you just have the controls and shower outlet visible, just like any other regular mixer shower.

[Edit]   Unlike the instant electric shower which needs its own circuit, the power requirements for a pumped shower are minimal and can usually be obtained by connecting into a convenient nearby circuit.  [/Edit]


"Power shower" can be a confusing term.  It's most often used to refer to a pumped shower, but some people/manufacturers also use it to mean an instant electric shower.


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the back of the shower backs onto the insdie of the airing cupbard where the water tank is.  if that helps...

That would certainly make the plumbing job easier.  Before you plan anything further, check what type of cold supply you have.  Is it direct from the city water supply, or does it come from the cold cistern in the attic?
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Re: Showers?!?!?
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2007, 12:59:34 PM »
Hi Meggles,

I'll add some practical tip gained from personal experience and what we have at home.

2001 we sat down and decided we wanted a larger living room and that a wall needed to be knocked out. from that thought over the next 2 years the whole flippin house got refurbished!

We live in a 30's semi, so upstairs is just 2 bedrooms 1 bedroom/boxroom and the bathroom. downstairs we've over the years vastly extended and so there's a 'half bathroom' consisting of a WC and shower cubicle & basin. We had always had an 'electric shower' downstairs - a normal Triton T80 and the flow rate wasn't great but just 'alright' when we looked at the upstiars bathroom we decided we wanted a shower that had some 'force/flow' .

We have a normal Boiler setup, which stores hot water in a cylinder - we bought a 'power mixer shower' setup for which the only element in the bathroom you can see is the shower hose/head and the electronic control unit and the metal housing 'bar' that runs up to the ceiling. got it all fitted and me being super impatient decided I'd be the first to test it out the day it all got fitted.

First impressions were 'WOW, this power is phenomenal'! was thinking this is great - then 10 mins later the water started running cold! I was REALLY miffed! - I was thinking it should at least last 15-20 mins worth of hot water, but no. I got out and was really complainin to mum (who really wanted this shower) that it was a grand and all it gives is 10 mins worth of shower!!

Basically, we need a much larger tank in order to get the capacity we need. We haven't changed it yet but will do at some point. Ensure that you get the biggest tank you can find if you have a similar boiler setup as us.

It means that if we have visitors, then one person can use the powerful shower upstiars, and we then tell anyone else to use the electric one downstairs.

My aunty lives right next door to us and they have the Combi Boiler setup - basically the boiler heats up water on demand. They have 1 full bathroom like us and 2 half bathrooms and theres 2 power mixer showers like I've described above which work just fine as the electric pump takes care of the flow/pressure. the 3rd is again a normal 'electric' shower.

The reason for keeping a normal one?! well if you've ever had boiler problems or had to swtich off the heating for whatever reason, in winter having no hot water is horrible. So we keep an electric shower 'just in case' we ever have that situation again - at least there's hot water available (of course so long theres electicity and water!)

The power unit we have upstairs apart from the limitation we have becuase of our plumbing system - I think is simply fantastic, normal showers just dont feel the same! - I then got a sparky to change the downstairs one to a Triton T80Si Pumped version. It's basically a normal shower with a tiny little pump built in to increase the flow. It worked, but it was a little noisy and it turned out to be it wasn't the correct one we needed. So whipped it back off and installed another normal shower instead. I was really happy when I bought it as in homebase the exact same shower unit is up for £500 whereas I bought it from a local electric distributor for £250 ! - but was glad to change it as it was noisy.

Have a good chat with different people, speak to electicians and plumbers etc to see what they say and get a good all round opinion/picture for what you want!

Hope this helps!

Cheers! DtM! West London & Slough UK!


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