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So I sort of have a lot of questions, chime in if you can help. I am going to be moving in a couple of months from Seattle to Bournmouth. I am bringing with me two Vw Busses inside of which will be an old honda motorcycle and all of my/our stuff. I am pretty sure I have a reasonble understanding of all the paperwork and taxes/duties that I will owe (a bloody ton) but I do have other questions-

 What sort of modifications will I have to make to the busses to get them road legal on that end? they are a 77 and a 70. I know I will need rhd headlight bulbs to dip the other way and possibly a rear foglight but what else?

 How anal is the MOT testing? why do I hear so much about "welding" during these tests? I understand they make you fix structural rust (Neither of mine have any) but do they get nitpicky, because they can, about ALL of the rust spots? Both of them have a few in the batt trays. One of them has a minor but detectable exhaust leak. Are they going to jump all over this or can I let it slide?

 What are the differences for the motorcycle? I hear that UK bikes do not have front running lights, is that about it?

 Anyone been down this road and found the huge expensive suprise that they could have fixed cheap before they left? Feel free to let me in on it if so.

 I understand I need to have owned them for at least 6 months before bringing them over and keep them for a year after arrival to not pay the HUGE tax rate. This will apply to the bike and one of the busses as we plan to keep them. The 2nd bus I only bought as it is worth double there what I paid for it here and the shipping is actually cheaper this way with everything packed into the cars rather than in loose boxes. So I will be selling it soon after arrival. If at a later date, but before a year goes by, I decide to get shed of the 1st bus, do I then pay the full duty rate? or do they "pro-rate" it?

 And advise here on any of this? links to websites with good info? I have poked around here but everyone is talking about newer cars and I have yet to find mention of a bike, so not much of it applies.

 And last, I know I can drive for a year on my U.S. Lic. but I am a pro Mechanic and I will be working in that capacity once I get there so It would be in my best interest to get a British Lic. as soon as I can. I have read about some pretty strange stuff regarding the driving exam. ie: using the parking brake at every stop, shuffling the steering wheel rather than cranking with one hand, not indicating a turn if there is nobody around to see it. Any truth to any of this? I am a reasonably smart guy, and I spend a fair amount of my day behind the wheel of all sorts of cars, but I am begining to think that I am actually going to have to take driving lessons in order to pass the test. And websites I can peruse to prepare myself, or should I just bite the bullet and get lessons?

 Hope you guys can point me in the direction of some answers, my wife raves about this site and I am pretty sure withought it we wouldnt even be going. By the way, before you ask, she is going to school in Bournmouth and I will be legal to work on a student spouse visa. (I think/hope)

 Thanks
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Re: Importing cars, and bikes, and mot'ing them, and getting a Lic.?
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2007, 10:10:12 AM »
Hi,

The vehicles are all over 10 years old, so that eliminates them from the SVA (Single Vehicle Approval) process, which is good.

It will probably be the lights most likely to cause problems on the MoT inspection, although to some extent it will depend upon the actual person you get for the test.  I've had dealings with various inspectors on American vehicles over the years -- Some are sticklers for the "my book says....." line, while others take a more practical approach to an imported vehicle and are prepared to let the rules become a little elastic over small items.    Unfortunately, there are also one or two who don't deal with older vehicles that much and will try to insist that an item must be fitted when it isn't actually required for a car of that age, so it's a good idea to familiarize yourself with the requirements for lights, mirrors, etc.

As you say, the headlights are a must to change for driving on the left.   Rear fog lights have only been required on new cars since 1980, so you won't need to worry about that.

Turn signals ("indicators" in British parlance, or "direction indicators" officially) are the usual point of contention.  All new British cars have used amber lights front and rear since 1965, so the rules only allow for white front and/or red rear signals on older vehicles.   I would guess that your 1977 bus, being VW, is already amber both ends, but not sure about the 1970 one (I believe 1970 or 1971 was the first year that the U.S. allowed amber rear signals, but I'm not certain). 

This is one of those areas where it can depend upon the inspector.  The testing station I've used for the last 10 years or so has one of the "good guys" who is willing to take a pragmatic approach to imported cars and bend the rules a little.  He's always passed my American vehicles with red signals on the rear without a problem (even on my '87 Bronco II).    Just be aware that some inspectors won't allow it to slide at all, and with some you might get away with the "wrong" lights on, say, a 1970 vehicle but not a new one.

Side repeaters for turn signals aren't required on pre-1986 vehicles, so that's not an issue.  Again, you have to watch some of the inspectors though if they don't deal with older vehicles regularly, as they will sometimes try to insist that you have something which is not required by law.   It's always good to be familiar with the rules so that you can challenge anything like this.

The only other MoT lighting rule which might cause you a problem is that relating to the front parking lights.  Officially, they are required to be white here, the only exception being if they are incorporated within a yellow headlight.  So technically, amber parking lights are out, although even the stricter inspectors don't seem so hot on that as they are on the turn signals.   One way to get around the issue without having to mess up the front of the vehicle is to swap the headlights for the type which have an integral parking light bulb, then just parallel them up to the existing parking/running lights.  (There's nothing to stop you displaying amber running lights on the front, it's just that they don't count as the officially required parking lights.)

Side marker lights aren't required by law here, but they are perfectly acceptable, so there's no need to disconnect them.

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I understand they make you fix structural rust (Neither of mine have any) but do they get nitpicky, because they can, about ALL of the rust spots?

It should only fail if the rust affects structural integrity, or if it leaves the body work in a state which is considered dangerous to pedestrians, etc.

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One of them has a minor but detectable exhaust leak. Are they going to jump all over this or can I let it slide?

It depends how minor.  Tiny leaks shouldn't be a failure, but obviously open to a degree of interpretation by the inspector.

You can read the actual wording of the current MoT inspection manual here:

http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual/contents.htm

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What are the differences for the motorcycle? I hear that UK bikes do not have front running lights, is that about it?

Not required by law I believe, but motorcycles are a little out of my league.  Again, the MoT manual can be found here for details:

http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual/mc_contents.htm

Hope that helps a little.
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Re: Importing cars, and bikes, and mot'ing them, and getting a Lic.?
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2007, 08:33:18 PM »
I just remembered my other question. I havew been told that in order for me to ride my motorcycle (a 750) I will need to ride a 250cc or under for a while first. Is this true? I never did bother getting a M/C endorsment for my US lic. Shouild I before I get there? will it make any difference?

And thanks for the great info Paul, very helpfull. I wont go play by play but I think I will be ok so far as far as registering them.


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« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2007, 11:19:58 PM »
Hi there,

Not really much I can add to the excellent info from Paul !

What does strike me to add is check that the engine can be 'adjusted' to use higher octane fuel - I've no idea about those cool old VDub Busses, but there are plenty of em running around here that have been restored and modified.

Theres a guy just down the road who's in the middle of a mod on his Cali VDub bus and I always see it when walking the dog - it does look cool, especally when lowered and on 15" rims!

You should find a magazine for classic stuff and VW specialty magazines in WHSmith's so search them out to find places here for parts etc.

There's also various car shows up and down the country throughout the year and definitley theres a specific large scale VW only show as well, try getting over to one of those to network and get keener pricing and knowledge for your imports.

I don't know too much about the bike related stuff, but again check it can be modified to use higher grade fuel.

Insurance, definitley give Adrian flux a call, I insure a 2003 F150 Harley Davidson with these guys at an excellent £980 a year - the classic stuff will probably be substantially cheaper.

Can't think of anythig else !

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« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2007, 04:29:02 AM »
Yeah dennis that is why I am bringing them. I am a VW enthusiast and well aware of the market value of these things over there. In fact I only had one before we started thinking about moving, but once I started looking into values I bought another just to resell. Both of them are lowered campers with whitewalls.

 And thanks for the tip about higher octane fuel, I hadn't even realised but 95 oct is available there isnt it. You dont have to change anything to put higher octane gas in a car tuned for a lower value, its going the other way that causes trouble. But I can certainly adjust them to take advantage of the extra power once I get there.

 Thanks again for the input


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« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2007, 07:22:43 AM »
I hadn't even realised but 95 oct is available there isnt it.

95 is the standard, but i have seen 99 recently, and even recall seeing 102 at some stage!


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« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2007, 11:01:52 AM »
On the fuel issue, keep in mind that the ratings used in Britain are the research octane number, which is a few points higher than the more dynamically measured octane rating in the States.  95 octane British gasoline is equivalent to about 91 octane American.

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95 is the standard, but i have seen 99 recently, and even recall seeing 102 at some stage!

There was a time when many British filling stations offered as many as four different grades of fuel: 2-star, 3-star, 4-star, and 5-star.  I forget the actual octane ratings now, but 5-star was certainly well over 100 octane (RON) for use in engines with higher compression ratios. That was all long before unleaded arrived on the scene here.

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I wont go play by play but I think I will be ok so far as far as registering them.

When you do register them, make sure that the date of manufacture gets put on the documentation.  The 1970 bus is old enough to be exempt from the annual road tax, but you can't get the exemption unless the date is on the registration (I have a long story about that one!).    No point in paying the government an extra £180 per year if you don't have to!   ;)

With the date on record you'll also be issued a license number which matches the age of the vehicle in its general format.  Without the date, you may end up being issued a "Q" number, about which opinions are divided.

By the way, once you've been assigned your new numbers and go to get plates made up you can have a choice of colors on the older bus.  Post-1973 vehicles are required to be fitted with reflective plates, white on front, yellow at the rear, but on your 1970 bus you'll have the option of using the old colors of white/silver digits on a black plate.  Only a small point I know, but the old-style black plates can often look much better on an older vehicle.   :)

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« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2007, 07:22:31 PM »
There was a time when many British filling stations offered as many as four different grades of fuel: 2-star, 3-star, 4-star, and 5-star.  I forget the actual octane ratings now, but 5-star was certainly well over 100 octane (RON) for use in engines with higher compression ratios. That was all long before unleaded arrived on the scene here.


im pretty sure both the 99 & 102 i saw were both unleaded...   :-\\\\


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« Reply #8 on: May 11, 2007, 11:59:19 AM »
im pretty sure both the 99 & 102 i saw were both unleaded...   :-\\\\

Yep, you can still get higher octane in unleaded.  The "Super unleaded" or "Premium unleaded" available at many filling stations is 98 or 99 RON.
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« Reply #9 on: May 12, 2007, 04:20:28 PM »
Cool I have always wondered why some can get away with the black plates and others have to use the new ones. I didnt realise it was as simple as a date cutoff. Great info keep it coming, thanks


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« Reply #10 on: May 12, 2007, 05:25:57 PM »
I didnt realise it was as simple as a date cutoff. Great info keep it coming, thanks

A lot of the "Construction & Use" regulations relating to required equipment are based upon the date that a vehicle was first registered/used, e.g.

* Turn signals & at least one stop light from 1936
* Front seat belts from 1965
* Minimum of two stop lights from 1971
* Reflective white/yellow plates from 1973
* Two or more mirrors from 1978
* Rear fog light from 1980
* Side-facing turn signal repeaters from 1986

And so on.....  You'll find a lot of these date-related requirements summarized in the MoT inspection manual I linked to above.

By the way, on the registration and license numbers you might like to read this brief summary:

http://talk.uk-yankee.com/index.php?topic=17503.0
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