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retirement savings
« on: November 18, 2007, 08:14:58 PM »
I am an American married to a British man and we've been living here in the UK for 3 years.  We've started to talk about saving for retirement and aren't sure what our best option is.

We plan to move back to the States at some point but don't honestly know where we'll spend most of our time in the future - here or there.  I've got a pension from a previous job there and he's recently started one here. 

Our question is whether we're best off to start an individual pension account here (or in the US) as we don't want to rely or feel pressured on being set in one job or in one location for long periods of time - but still have a decent pension available to us once we retire.  Anyone have any advice on what some of our options may be?  Should the current strength of the pound against the dollar impact our decision?

On this same line, anyone have a recommendation for a reasonaby priced independent financial advisor who can help with US-UK finance/pension/mortgage info?  We're very much not in that line of work so get befuddled easily ...

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Re: retirement savings
« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2007, 05:04:09 PM »
I am an American married to a British man and we've been living here in the UK for 3 years.  We've started to talk about saving for retirement and aren't sure what our best option is.

We plan to move back to the States at some point but don't honestly know where we'll spend most of our time in the future - here or there.  I've got a pension from a previous job there and he's recently started one here. 

Our question is whether we're best off to start an individual pension account here (or in the US) as we don't want to rely or feel pressured on being set in one job or in one location for long periods of time - but still have a decent pension available to us once we retire.  Anyone have any advice on what some of our options may be?  Should the current strength of the pound against the dollar impact our decision?

On this same line, anyone have a recommendation for a reasonaby priced independent financial advisor who can help with US-UK finance/pension/mortgage info?  We're very much not in that line of work so get befuddled easily ...

Thank you!

First of all I'd recommend that you and your spouse contribute to any job related retirement savings plan that you can as there's usually a company match or its a non-contribution pension plan (less common today) and that's like free money.  Don't plan on moving the plan (basically you won't be able to) or getting at it until you retire. When you move to the US your husband should consider paying Class 2 NI contributions as well as SS, that way he may end up entitled to a pension from the UK and the US, I looked into keeping up US Fica payments on a voluntary basis, but I can't find any info on it.


Your husband can contribute to lots of tax advantaged investments in the UK like an ISA and I'd recommend maxing that out, here I'm assuming that your husband has no US tax liability ie no green card and that you file "Married filing separately". If you file together you'll have to declare your husbands income and I have no idea what that will mean, but I bet it gets complicated and the IRS may not recognise the tax exempt status of the UK ISA

If you contribute to a UK based tax deferred retirement plan I think you should pay the tax on that to the IRS as you go but use your foreign tax credits to offset it so you end up paying 0% tax. See this discussion,

http://talk.uk-yankee.com/index.php?topic=38158.0

I don't think that you can contribute to a US IRA as you probably don't have enough US earned income.

Also as a US citizen beware of contributing to UK based mutual funds as there are complicated and draconian tax laws about these and also ISAs won't offer you any tax advantage. I'd recommend that your husband invest in the UK doing the company/personal pension thing and ISAs through something like a tracker fund with Halifax or Fidelity and that you invest in US based index mutual funds with one of the big firms like Vanguard or Fidelity. I'd invest equal amounts in US and European index funds to even out any currency fluctuations.
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Re: retirement savings
« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2007, 11:08:02 PM »
PS if you do move to the US you should get some tax advice from a dual qualified person. I think timing of house selling might be important and I think it would be best to sell all UK unit trusts etc as they will be subject to the nasty US PFIC tax rules once you are in the US. I just asked if this applies to UK pension plans over on the tax forum, I hope it doesn't.


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Re: retirement savings
« Reply #3 on: November 20, 2007, 09:36:30 AM »
Also as a US citizen beware of contributing to UK based mutual funds as there are complicated and draconian tax laws about these and also ISAs won't offer you any tax advantage. I'd recommend that your husband invest in the UK doing the company/personal pension thing and ISAs through something like a tracker fund with Halifax or Fidelity and that you invest in US based index mutual funds with one of the big firms like Vanguard or Fidelity. I'd invest equal amounts in US and European index funds to even out any currency fluctuations.

why?  i'm a US citizen and have had a UK Cash ISA for 3 years.  it was recommended to me by my accountant.  it's not invested- just earning interest.
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Re: retirement savings
« Reply #4 on: November 20, 2007, 10:23:47 AM »
why?  i'm a US citizen and have had a UK Cash ISA for 3 years.  it was recommended to me by my accountant.  it's not invested- just earning interest.

I posted about a question about ISAs on the tax board earlier in the year. Here is the thread, including the response I received from guya:

http://talk.uk-yankee.com/index.php?topic=34207.0



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Re: retirement savings
« Reply #5 on: November 20, 2007, 10:45:54 AM »
thanks for that.  i already need to file TD F 90-22.1.  i need the cash in the UK in the next year, so it doesn't make sense to invest offshore & then bring back. 

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Re: retirement savings
« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2007, 10:49:34 AM »
No problem. Those are basically the conclusions I came to as well.


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Re: retirement savings
« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2007, 04:33:31 PM »
thanks for that.  i already need to file TD F 90-22.1.  i need the cash in the UK in the next year, so it doesn't make sense to invest offshore & then bring back. 



Wanting easy access to your money is a good reason for you to have it in a UK interest bearing account. You'll have to pay tax on the interest in the US so you loose the nice tax free aspect of the ISA, but its not a funds ISA so there's no PFIC.

FYI here is a very useful Lizzit article that gives some broad based advice on the tax issue with various UK based investments, click on "Guide for US investors"

http://www.britishamericantax.com/Articles.html

As a US citizen in the UK I think its best to contribute to a UK company pension plan for retirement as that's the only option, have 3 to 6 months of expenses in cash in a UK interest bearing account and buy US based index funds each month.


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