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Questions for an unmarried partner visa
« on: April 26, 2004, 01:14:42 AM »
Hello.

I am new to the board. I didn't even know it existed until this evening and find it amazing and friendly.

Now, off to the topic in question.

I am an American citizen currently on my 6 month visa here in Northern Ireland (UK). In November, I have to go back to the states so that I won't overstay my visit so that I can apply for my up visa. I have been doing this now from the Republic of Ireland (3 months) then to the UK (6 months) since January of last year.

My problem is this:

Does anyone think it would be a problem for me if I made my unmarried partner visa interview and application for a little under 2 months earlier than the 2 year mark I have been living with my partner? Technically, the 2 year mark is on January 10th but I want to see if I can do it to get home here to the UK from NY for Christmas. I don't want to get turned down and lose all that money to find out they are that strict. I have a lot of proof and I have done everything completely legally and intend on still doing so until the time of the application. Any advice or opinion would be greatly appreciated. I have heard others in the past getting their visas earlier than the 2 year mark.

Also, does anyone have a sample letter that they used for friends and sponsors for the application? I would love to get some kind of input on what I should say. I don't want to say too much, or worse enough, the wrong thing.

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Re: Questions for an unmarried partner visa
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2004, 01:17:45 AM »
   Well i think you will find the government is very strict with its time shedules.   Far better to do the application at the right time and not get turned down by applying too early. :)   Good luck when you do apply.
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Re: Questions for an unmarried partner visa
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2004, 01:30:33 AM »
Advice taken....what if I do apply and get turned down? Can I apply again at the right time without penalty?


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Re: Questions for an unmarried partner visa
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2004, 01:33:54 AM »
   Yes, but the same as the states they will charge you once again. :(
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Re: Questions for an unmarried partner visa
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2004, 01:40:32 AM »
I don't have that kind of money, but I am most likely going to apply in November as stated since I have so much proof (my partner waiting as well downstairs from me at the consulate) that we have been together and cohabitating. Just like others, we have waited so long and endured so much stress on our relationship and we NEED this visa. I don't want to get married since I want my wedding to be about us, not a stamp to say I can stay in the country.

Again, if anyone has had an example of early applications, or NOT to send one in, please let me know.

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Re: Questions for an unmarried partner visa
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2004, 07:25:02 AM »
I think you'll find that they are very, very strict about the timing thing.  Denyalia on this website just got her unmarried partner visa though....perhaps you could IM her and ask her about her experiences with it?

I know that there have been many people who have gone to Cryodon for their spousal visas and ILR that have gotten turned away at the doors because they were only a few weeks early than the required time.  I don't want to be doom and gloom for you here, but I think it would be a different situation if we were talking about days...2 months doesn't sound like a long time to you and me, but the HOme Office is pretty particular about these things.

I really do wish you luck tho, whatever you decided to do.  :)


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Re: Questions for an unmarried partner visa
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2004, 08:20:05 AM »
I'll second what Wishstar said...The Home Office is extremely inflexible with their rules, especially those to do with timings.  If you send in your application for ILR even a few days early, they'll send it right back to you.  If they do that to people who are married to a British citizen, possibly working in the country, and resident for two years, I have a sneaking suspicion they'll do exactly the same thing to you.

It really is best to apply once you're allowed to do so.  Stuff like this is stressful at the best of times...why add to it?


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Re: Questions for an unmarried partner visa
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2004, 10:28:30 AM »
I got an unmarried partner visa in October at the NY Consulate, despite being two months short on my evidence.  However, it's important to point out that I had been living with my partner since late August 2001, but we simply did not have the written evidence such as utility bills going back that far.  We only had them going back to December 2001.

Also, we used a solicitor, which I highly recommend if you can afford it and if there is anything the least bit non-straightforward about your application.  Although I ended up going to the Consulate alone (my partner was busy singing an opera in Wales), my lawyer had prepared and reviewed all our evidence with me.  He also coached me on how to speak to them, and probably most important, he wrote a covering letter which I presented with my application.

Here's what happened....

I went up to the window and said that I was making an Unmarried Partner settlement application.  The entry-clearance officer said, "Do you have written documentation that you have been living together for two years?"  After I answered "yes" with a bit of hesitation, he replied, "Are you certain?"

At that point I realized the guy was trying to be nice and save me the $455 (and the "official" refusal on my immigration record) if I wasn't going to qualify.  'Cause once they officially start the application you have to pay the fee whether you get the visa or not.

So I said to him, "OK, I don't have bills and such going back to October 2001, but let me show you what I do have."  And I showed him:  My solicitor's letter explaining the situation; the earliest mail that I had gotten at this address, which was in December; a letter that both of us had written in early November 2001, requesting to add me to the electric bill; and the elec. co's reply which referred to the date of our letter, thus proving we had indeed sent it on that date.  I assured him that it would be no problem for me to come back in December and re-apply if it came to that.

He said he would have to take these letters into the back and ask the chief ECO if they would be acceptable.  The two minutes he was gone seemed like an absolute eternity.  When he came back he never said that the letters were OK; instead he just started entering everything into the computer for the formal application.  He had a list he was going through for pieces of evidence, which I passed through the window one by one as he called for them.

In the end, he only looked at 5 utility bills to prove my address.  But he looked at our financial evidence very carefully.  He asked for 6 months of our bank statements, my resume, contracts from my partner's opera jobs (this is because she's self-employed), and our mortgage documents.  He also quizzed me about my own savings and what I intended to do for work in the UK.

He did not look at anything else out of the huge mound of evidence I brought with me.

He then went in the back and made copies of everything.

When he returned, he ticked "ISSUE" on the bottom of the application form, signed it, stamped it, ran my passport through the machine, stuck everything in a big envelope which he threw in a little tray, and sent me over to the payment window, where I paid my $455 and was told to pick up my visa in an hour.

The whole process, from start to finish, took maybe 12 minutes.  It could have been as little as 10.

Now, if I had not had a good immigration attorney, I would have waited the extra two months even though it would have been inconvenient.  Keep in mind that if you apply for a settlement visa and you are refused, it will be next to impossible for you to enter the UK as a visitor, even if you legitimately intend to leave and can show them evidence of that.  The settlement refusal will be recorded in the computer system and it will show when you arrive in the UK for a visit and they run your passport through the reader.  Immigration officials tend to assume that anyone who was refused permission to settle in the UK, and subsequently tries to come as a visitor, is not going to leave.

I also would not have tried this if I were applying from inside the UK.  As others have said, the Home Office has gotten very sticky about the exact timing of settlement-visa applications.  It used to be that you could send your UP application three or four months early, and it would take them that long to process it (at least) and they would give you credit for the elapsed time.  They're not doing that any more.

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Re: Questions for an unmarried partner visa
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2004, 08:20:52 PM »
Thanks again for the advice. It looks like I may be waiting unless a very masterful, legal plan goes in action.

Speaking of legal, tholian8 can you IM me on AOL or e-mail me if possible. I have a few questions about who your legal avisor was, cost ,etc

Thanks again everyone. You are a world of help to a now confused girl


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