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University of Edinburgh vs. Cardiff Uni - which is better?
« on: April 28, 2008, 01:56:25 AM »
Hi guys,

I was wondering if anyone out there knows about either the University of Edinburgh or Cardiff University. I'm going to apply for postgraduate degree in public policy at both universities, but am wondering what the word on the street is about either school and their political science reputation. Also I heard something about the Fresh Talent Scotland and other related schemes, which are changing this summer. Soon any international student graduating from any UK uni can apply to work for 2 years in the UK. Does anyone know if this is true? And if so, will it apply for students entering the 2008-09 academic year? Thanks so much for everyone's help!

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Re: University of Edinburgh vs. Cardiff Uni - which is better?
« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2008, 08:59:35 AM »
I'd say Edinburgh because I went there.   ;D


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Re: University of Edinburgh vs. Cardiff Uni - which is better?
« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2008, 09:01:18 AM »
Hi

I am slightly biased (born in Edinburgh) but I would recommend Edinburgh over Cardiff as a university in general.

Check out the Times University Rankings (considered to be the best survey).  Edinburgh came 13th, Cardiff 28th overall.  For Politics, Edinburgh came 18th - Cardiff didn't show on the rankings?

http://extras.timesonline.co.uk/gug/gooduniversityguide.php

Good luck with your choice.


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Re: University of Edinburgh vs. Cardiff Uni - which is better?
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2008, 12:23:43 PM »
Edinburgh has an excellent reputation for political science - just look at the list of graduates (including Gordon Brown!).  In my opinion, Edinburgh is a brilliant city to live in as well, though I have only been to Cardiff a couple of times so can't really say how good it is there.

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Re: University of Edinburgh vs. Cardiff Uni - which is better?
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2008, 01:15:32 PM »
"Check out the Times University Rankings (considered to be the best survey).  Edinburgh came 13th, Cardiff 28th overall.  For Politics, Edinburgh came 18th - Cardiff didn't show on the rankings?"

Um... slightly biased....

First of all the league tables are far from the best guide and second and perhaps more importantly, they are non-subject specific.  I don't think it's a wise idea to base your post-grad education on such things given the specifics of what a Ph.D. or master's education require.  But anyway, if they do concern you, Cardiff was recently ranked as one of the top 100 Universities in the world and is a fellow member of the Russell Group, so I don't think there is much appreciable difference between the two institutions overall.  Furthermore the Politics department at Cardiff is huge and is rumored to be placing 2nd, that's right above Cambridge or Oxford, in politics research quality in the yet to be released RAE.  So let's be fair here, it's fine to wave the flag but please don't make it sound like it is more than it is.  There are negligable differences and the list of Cardiff Politics academics, graduates and reputation is equal to or better than Edinburgh's depending on who you ask.  Given they are so close, it really won't make too much of a difference one way or another, your postgrad degree will be equally as impressive on your CV/resume.

I attend Cardiff as a Politics Ph.D. student and have for the past two years.  I also researched Edinburgh prior to that in considering a JYA and Master's school so I'm familiar with them both.  There are subtle differences in departments from one to the other and that's really where you should make your call.  I'm not sure if you are doing just an MA or MsC or if you are doing a Ph.D. or plan to, but the key for what you are trying to do is to pick a school based on the academics they have in your field of interest.  If there is something specific policy wise you wish to do or study that is the particular expertise of someone in the particular department, that should be an important factor.  Read through some bios and see who has the most similar interests to you as you will need to have an advisor eventually in either postgrad path.  Both schools have great links to their respective assembly/devolved governments and connections to various parties and NGOs.  If you are interested in international public policy, Cardiff does have the UN repository on site now, which might be a good motivator to come here if that's your particular interest. 

    If you have specific questions about Cardiff, I can do my best to answer them fairly, as I don't care where you decide aside from encouraging you to definately come here the UK to persue your education.  You can't really go wrong no matter who you chose but I do suggest you study carefully the individuals in each department and make your decision based upon what you think they can do to help your research.  Don't be afraid to send them an e-mail and make contact with them.  If you are interested in their research, they will be flattered by and large.  Usually, they will be quite welcoming of questions and discussion. 

     As for Cardiff Uni, itself, it is a very metropolitan campus and the EUROS school, where politics is located is right smack in the middle of the Park Place.  It is actually comprised of several old terraced houses that were once a nursing school.  Pretty to look at but not always the easiest to navigate internally (a bit of a habitrail).  The research suite is being upgraded next year and the main library is right next door so those facilities along with the off-campus research accomodations are good. 

     Another thing you should know about UK schools more generally is due to their lack of an annual fund (save CU and OX) non-EU students are a sought after commodity due to the increased revenue you will pay compared to a UK student.  Different schools have different programs so be sure to inspect what Edinburgh offers for potential studentships and scholarships.  Cardiff has ORC and it is rumored but at this point unconfirmed that they may have a studentship program starting up in the next year or two but not as of yet.  To make up for this, Cardiff usually allows you to teach in your 2nd or even in some instances even sooner of your Ph.D. depending on your topic area.  Tutoring is good for your CV of course, but it also provides that much needed spending money.  Edinburgh may have better scholarships and studentship but be sure they give you opportunities to teach if you are doing a Ph.D.  Some schools who have a lot of students may not have the room to find you a teaching placement until your 3rd year.  Cardiff also offers a fair amount of money to research students to travel for papers and for other research activities, it's 350 pounds now but is likely to be 500 next year.

        Cardiff does offer guaranteed single housing to all non-EU postgrads which is nice but rooms are easy to find off campus and the city is very walkable if you prefer.  Cardiff has an amazing amount of greenspace including a large park directly next to campus which is nice perk as well.  I've loved it here and the department is fantastic aside from the typical bureaucratic issues all colleges have. 

         Both schools take Staffords as well, just in case you wondering.  If you have an particular questions about Cardiff just PM me and I'll do my best to answer you honestly.  Good luck and I hope you find the right fit for you.  I don't think you can go wrong between these two schools, they are both excellent and excellent politics departments.  I can't reiterate enough to find who has the interests closest to yours, contact them, and allow them to help forge your decision as you'll be working closely with them on the postgrad level.



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Re: University of Edinburgh vs. Cardiff Uni - which is better?
« Reply #5 on: June 22, 2008, 03:33:15 PM »
Grassyknoll, I think you'll find that the rankings are very important, especially to employers. A university's reputation is extremely important and Cardiffs rep is not that good. You obviously dont know much about it if you think they're not subject specific because if you actually read the post properly or checked the site then you would see that they do have rankings for specific subjects and as one person said Edinburgh was highly ranked for the subject the OP was inquiring about wheras Cardiff didnt even rank at all.

I dont go to Edinburgh Uni, i went to Uni in London, I am, however, Welsh and even i'll admit Cardiff hasnt got as good a reputation as Edinburgh and that is what most employers will look at.

I can say,hoever, that my freinds who went to Edinburgh have thouroughly enjoyed themselves, the social life is fantastic and its generally a freindly and well organised uni in a wonderful city.
My freinds that go to cardiff are not that happy there. The social life is still good but there is apparently quite a bit of trouble between students and locals and they find the uni is really disorganised.


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Re: University of Edinburgh vs. Cardiff Uni - which is better?
« Reply #6 on: June 23, 2008, 03:23:57 PM »
 ilostmymarbles, reputation is important, true, but you overestimate vastly the difference in reputations between the two schools in question.  The THES, (The Times Higher Education Suppliment) placed Cardiff in the top 100 Universities in the world this past November.  The Research Assessment Exercise is set to refute your league table, which if you read the methodology is not actually as pertinent to graduate education given the weighting that it uses.  The fact is, rankings are everywhere, from the Guardian, to the Times, to U.S. News and World Report, to Petersen's to Princeton Review, and guess what, they are all different.  So who is right, well probably no one comprehensively but given most of them have these two schools very close together (in relative terms) and the UK government's rating system for the field of research in question is likely to yield a far different result for postgraduate politics than you assume it will, I suggest that those reading this, particularly the original poster, make up their own mind based on the emerging data and bear in mind the potential subjectivity of your source.  I'll ignore the combative nature of your post and simply say that it is easy to dismiss someone on the internet, which you are welcome but ill-advised to do, and I simply hope that the people who read this thread and most importantly the original poster who asked for the advice, see the subjectivity of your opinion.  We are not talking about the difference between Harvard and Southern Tennessee State here, we are talking about the difference in reputation, if any (which I would debate ardently) between Princeton and Harvard or Smith and Wellesley or JHU and Stanford. 

Employers may care about reputation, but remember what you are talking about here, this is POSTGRADUATE level education in politics.  Unlike undergraduate CV name recognition, it matters much more in this field what the specific program is, what it covers and the individual intellectuals that comprise the department itself who you would directly study with (and in turn get recommendations from).  So depending on what these people specialize in, and the field you wish to enter, the reputation of the schools, if comparable, is not of primary importance when one is specializing (as postgraduate work is) in a very specific subfield.  Cardiff and Edinburgh both have their strengths within their respective departments and this is why the decision really comes down to that.  Specific strength in a specific program.

For example, let's take meteorology.  One might think that the best place to go for this is say MIT (tier 1 USNWR) where technology and science are paramount and it is arguable one of the top ten schools in the world.  However, one of the most highly regarded meteorology programs in the world is at Lyndon State College in Vermont, a tiny tier three (U.S. News & WR) school.  Within this particular field, the two schools have very good reputations but are very different so depending on what your particular interests were, say becoming a TV weatherman or alternatively becoming a dopplar radar engineer, you might make very different choices as to which best met your needs.  Furthermore, this choice would not likely, or perhaps I should say, ought not likely come solely based upon the tier or reputation each possesses as a whole but where the school stands in the field.

To say Cardiff does not have strengths in politics that Edinburgh does not have is patently false as is born out by any articulate examination of the department.  Likewise to say Edinburgh does not have strengths in politics that Cardiff does not have would also be false.  So when specializing in some aspect of politics, especially as a masters or Ph.D. student, it is paramount to go to decide between these two very good schools based upon which best prepares and stewards you for the field you wish to research.  This answer will not always be A nor will it always be B. 

As for students you know.  This is actually helpful, however perhaps even more subjective than the previous assertion.  I can say that I have really enjoyed my time at Cardiff and my postgraduate experience.  I also suspect that most colleges and universities are disorganized administratively, although some more than others.  So not to contradict you, I'm sure these students have legitimate reasons for feeling that way, it has not been my experience here.



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