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Re: Driving Manual: what's the trick?
« Reply #30 on: May 05, 2009, 11:09:02 PM »
I look upon it in the same way as comparing a two-seater sport car with a station wagon.  Neither one is inherently "better" than the other; they're just different and each has its own set of advantages and disadvantages.


As a manual transmission 2 seater sports car driver, I beg to differ  ;D .

Seriously though you are correct, none is "better" inherently, but one will be better depending on the needs/desires of the person doing the choosing.
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Re: Driving Manual: what's the trick?
« Reply #31 on: May 05, 2009, 11:19:50 PM »
What finally made it easy for me to drive a manual transmission is to learn how it actually works and what is happening inside the car when you press on the clutch and the gas.   Having said this, I realize that I am going to be of very little help b/c I am not able to actually explain this to you, but if you know of someone who can (your brother you mentioned, maybe), that might help you.   Good luck!!


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Re: Driving Manual: what's the trick?
« Reply #32 on: May 06, 2009, 07:30:29 AM »
As a manual transmission 2 seater sports car driver, I beg to differ  ;D .

My bf drives one of those - yet he really likes driving my automatic as well.
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Re: Driving Manual: what's the trick?
« Reply #33 on: May 06, 2009, 10:10:47 AM »
Hiya,
As a Petrol/Diesel head and a driver of Manual and Autos, right hand drive and left hand drive, driving almost 20 years, including some 'road trips' in the USA - there is no 'better' transmission type than another.
When you pHiya,
As a Petrol/Diesel head and a driver of Manual and Autos, right hand drive and left hand drive, driving almost 20 years, including some 'road trips' in the USA - there is no 'better' transmission type than another.
When you pass your test is when you 'really' start to learn to drive - if you can drive a manual, you'll soon learn to shift up and down the gearbox without a second thought - it'll just flow nicely - You really won't be constantly thinking 'ah let me change up the 3rd now as I've just joined a dual carriageway off a side road and the traffic is clear' or 'ahh im approching a junction let me check my speed, 35, yep, brake, let me change down to 2nd on the cusp of the corner ready to engage the clutch for drive once I've straightend up' etc etc - all that will just simply flow. So I tend to disagree with 'driving an auto is like being in a coma' !!

Having said that - I of course can understand that it can be a kinda more plain experience !

To the OP - As already discussed, the 'trick' to learning a manual, is 'Clutch Control' - that takes experience, patience and skill. I would also recommend getting your head around the basic engineering and scientific principles of a car's basic elements - Engine, gearbox, drivetrain so that when you put that experience, patience and skill into physical practice you'll have a greater background knowledge.

Although it's almost been 20 years since I took my test, I do remember speaking to my intructor on my first lesson and him saying the following

"Clutch is THE Control" and "Gas/Accelerator is the GO pedal, but YOU control it with the Clutch" (although its much easier to speak the following, I'll try explaining it in words as it picks up on the engineering principles I mentioned above

I think ex jersey girls step by step approach description is very good, however just a couple of error's in it. The 'trick' is to 'balance' the clutch, the amount of 'gas' you give and releasing the handbrake at the right time when it comes to learning clutch control. The incline bit is right as it's a great indicator as into whats actually happening as you do those things correctly or not. If you're car rolls backwards - you are getting it wrong, if the car stays stationary and then moves forward as you 'control' the power delivery into forward motion - you are getting it right!

The correct term as no ones pointed it out yet is Clutch 'biting point' - this is where you'll feel the point at which by 'controlling' the clutch pedal and bring it slowly upwards, where the 'drive' from the engines power output is being transferred to the drivetrain. It's that 'biting point' which will 'control' the car the way you want it. You should always bring the clutch pedal up and find the biting point, and then slowly feed a little more gas with the right foot to prevent stalling, and then release the handbrake. Get that balance right, you're car will be stationary, and as you then slowly bring the clutch up and 'NO Extra gas' the car will begin to inch forward. Keep practicing the above and that's 80% of your 'clutch control' learnt! the remaining 20% being when do engage and disengage the clutch to select a gear for what the car is doing on the different roads and conditions (i.e when to change gear if approaching a left hand turn which doesn't require you to stop for instance)

Make sure you practice the above first on a level road to start yourself getting used to the pedals, biting point etc and then move to slight inclines and then onto a good gradient or 'hill' to practice your Hill Start! . Also, you'll then learn that a manual car will also move forward without ANY of your feet touching the pedals! - Try it, once you do the above, and the car starts to move forward slowly, you can then take you foot OFF the clutch completely, and then take your foot OFF the accelerator - the car will still move forward slowly! if you then, press the accelerator/gas a little bit the car will increase in speed!

Finally, related back to 'control' again, I remember my instructor showing me the following

During the above procedure, instead of giving just that 'little' bit of gas - he told me to push the pedal about half way - of course the engine 'Revs' to about 3000 rpm, but he said look, although you've pressed it halfway the GO pedal thinks the car is travelling forward at say 30mph, but you know it's not - now if you find the biting point (and I did) he said very very slowly keep the rpm/gas as it is, and really slowly release the clutch till the car moves forward. and of course it did, he then said right, keep that there dont bring the clutch up anymore - so, that taught me, that you can press the accelerator flat to the metal if you want - it doesnt meant you'll start to go fast - in that instant, I still had the car 'slowly inching along' becuase I was using the clutch to 'control how much of the engines drive was being transmitted to forward motion'

Sorry for the long paragraphs ! really, all of that is much easier to say that to type! - there is some more elements to it all as well, such as when to depress the clutch to take the car 'out of drive' and stopping etc etc. Any good instructor will teach you those elements in conjuction with the above very early on in your lessons.

Hope also that anyone else finding out about this topic reads it !

As for the recent Auto's Vs Manual postings - I shall now throw in some new elements and that's Semi Automatic and Manual gearboxes! where you have the choice of a 'form' of both in the same gearbox!  and to really frazzle you, 'Clutchless Manual' gearboxes! ;)

I won't even mention sports automatic boxes, re-mapped automatic boxes to sharpen their responses up, the whole kickdown function and forcing a autobox to change gear so you 'control' it, dogleg manual gearboxes (those will really send your senses throwing a bit of a wobbly!!!) and a proper close ratio gearbox and to top it all off, a straight cut gears gearbox - the double de-clutching' action some cars need and of course the holy grail of , Heel n Toe ! 

Hope the above helps a bit!

Cheers! DtM! West London & Slough UK!
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Re: Driving Manual: what's the trick?
« Reply #34 on: May 06, 2009, 10:27:25 AM »

The correct term as no ones pointed it out yet is Clutch 'biting point'

Hey!  :P


(it won't let me quote my post anymore), but i did say "Practice with finding the biting point"

To be fair, you did explain it a lot better than I did.  ;)
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Re: Driving Manual: what's the trick?
« Reply #35 on: May 06, 2009, 10:50:26 AM »
To the OP - one important variable that no one has mentioned yet is understanding how you learn things best, and applying that to this process.

I had three different guys try and teach me how to drive stick, and the first two were totally unsuccessful because they didn't teach me the way I needed to learn.  My husband (bless him) understood that I personally needed to master each step first before complicating with other factors. That's why the two foot/two pedal (no handbrake, no gas, no steering) "see-sawing" with the clutch approach I described worked for me insofar as getting me started.  Once I had confidence (and developed a little muscle memory) that I could get the car moving even without the gas, that's when I started adding other elements (giving gas, shifting through the gears, etc).

Your mileage may vary (again, no pun intended).  My husband, for example, just needed to "do it (baptism by fire approach)."  The salesman who sold him his first manual took him out for a 20-30 minute practice/teaching drive, where they simply drove on regular roads (no parking lot practice) and hubby learned that way.  That method was also how my Italian friend tried to teach me, and I just couldn't handle that many new things at once.   I also thought that understanding the engineering would allow me to logically understand what I needed to do, but that failed too (sorry to that nice college boy whose name I forget now for breaking down crying in frustration in your car - it wasn't your fault).

Try to get a couple of different people willing to try and teach you and look for the differences in their teaching method.  One may work better for you than others (my Dad, for instance, could never have taught me - I think he was just too frustrated I wasn't born knowing how to drive manual).  Everyone's tips/hints/suggestions here have merit - which will work best for you depends on what's right for you

 
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