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Kindle
« on: October 16, 2009, 10:32:32 PM »
DH asked me today what I want for my birthday, and I think I'd like a Kindle or some sort of e-book device-y gadget-y thing.  I remember a thread about it a while back, but I was hoping someone could give me some advice and opinions on which is the best one to buy.  I am in nearly total ignorance of the different devices available, and whenever I try to compare specs my eyes glaze over.  I need real people to explain things to me using simple language  ;D.

I'm leaning towards the Kindle because I generally go for the original of a thing, but do I get the basic one or the deluxe?  Or is there a better/simpler/cheaper device you'd recommend instead of the Kindle?

Thanks in advance! 
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Re: Kindle
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2009, 10:47:06 PM »
http://talk.uk-yankee.com/index.php?topic=57710.0


:)

Good timing.

Though now that I've seen the new B&N one being released next month.....*drool*
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Re: Kindle
« Reply #2 on: October 16, 2009, 10:54:20 PM »
Mort, you say you love your Sony, why is that?  Would you rather have a Kindle?  What is e-ink?  Backlight I can figure out, but why can e-ink not be backlit? 
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Re: Kindle
« Reply #3 on: October 16, 2009, 11:15:50 PM »
I think if the Kindle had been available in the UK at the time, I'd have bought it, but since then I've kinda soured on it. One of the charms of the Kindle for me had been the access to their US catalogue. However, if you use the Kindle in the UK, you either have to register it as American, and then pay a 1.99 surcharge for every book, or register it as UK but have much more limited choices that are basically replicated by other UK ebook retailers like Waterstones, Borders and Sony Bookstore. (This is probably best verified.)


Plus there's the issue of the format. Amazon uses mobipocket format for their books. Used to be a pretty widely used format, but sometime after Kindle launched, Amazon bought the company that licensed mobipocket format to other companies, and made it exclusive to amazon. Now, they can't really cancel all agreements right away, but they changed the rules in such way that you can't even have mobi books on the same reader as the other very popular ebook format: Adobe ePub. So, if you buy books from Amazon, and get tired of your Kindle, if you want access to your library, you'll need to replace it with another Kindle.

You have, basically no choice in the matter. This wouldn't even be a problem for me, to be honest, if it was offset by the access to their US website. But as I said above, that's not really the case any longer.

Adobe, on the other hand, licenses their format to pretty much everyone, so if one day I get tired of my Sony, I have literally dozens of other readers to choose from and they will all handle my library with no issues.

I hope all the above made sense. :)

Now, for the technical questions. You don't have backlight on eInk readers because eInk screen is opaque: it doesn't transmit light. So a backlight wouldn't work.  Sony solved this issue with two sidelights. They are mounted on either side, in the bezel over the screen. It is far from ideal, and there are certain trade-offs in terms of reading quality but that's pretty much the best solution that's been offered so far. Not counting the clip-on lights. (For pictures of what it looks like, google "PRS-700" and "sidelight")

As for what eInk actually is, I will not undertake to explain but instead will point you to the smart people at http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/gadgets/high-tech-gadgets/e-ink.htm

:)

BTW, whatever one you end up choosing, personally, I consider the money I spent on my Sony (meaning, just buying the eReader, not specifically the Sony,) to be the best money I spent in probably the last three years, with a possible exception of the Bose Quiet Comfort. And I'm not sure if for sheer utility, the Sony still wouldn't come out on top.

ETA: Regarding replacing my Sony with any of a dozen other readers. This wasn't always the case. In their time, Sony has done a lot of dumb sh!t when it came to DRM, but just recently they switched their entire bookstore from the proprietary LRX format that could only be read on eReaders made by Sony, to ePub which, as I said above, can be read by lots of other devices. Not only that, but if you bought any books from them in the old format, they allowed you to re-download all of them in ePub. This has raised my opinion of the monkeys who make rights-management decisions in that company quite a bit.

ETA 2: LOOK AT THIS DELICIOUSNESS! http://gizmodo.com/5380942/exclusive-first-photos-of-barnes--nobles-double-screen-e+reader

If the rumors are true, it's coming out end of October (should be announced in Tuesday,) AND will cost less than the Kindle. I want this soooo bad. I can't wait to see what kind of international coverage this baby will offer.
« Last Edit: October 16, 2009, 11:25:47 PM by Ms Mort if You're Nasty »
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Re: Kindle
« Reply #4 on: October 16, 2009, 11:31:45 PM »
I looked at the PRS-700 and the smaller one from Sony.  Generally, I'm not a fan of touch screens, but your points about book availability and not being able to transfer the library are ones to consider. 

How is the eReader for WiFi? 

I think the big problem with the eReader is that it's nearly £80 more than the Kindle, and while I take your point about money well spent, it's a bit out of our price range at the moment  :(  Even the Kindle would probably have to be for birthday and Christmas.   

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Re: Kindle
« Reply #5 on: October 16, 2009, 11:43:50 PM »
PRS-700 is not made any longer anyhow, but it doesn't have WiFi.

Sicne then, Sony has released two new models: http://www.sony.co.uk/hub/reader-ebook/block/3 and I just checked. Neither of them have wifi either. Stupid Sony.

As a matter of fact, I believe that in that price range, Kindle is the only reader out right now that has WiFi. (Though I wouldn't swear to it.) There's another more blinged out Sony Reader model coming out in December, but that'll almost certainly go above the Kindle price point.

The touch screen, to me, is the most easily dispensed-with feature of a reader. I mean, I use it cause it's there, but I wouldn't consider it a sacrifice at all to just forgo it and use buttons instead, assuming they are well positioned. The sidelight, on the other hand, I LOVE and am pissed that of the two of those, Sony chose to retain the former and drop the latter. Stupid Sony.

By the way, your choices are not limited to one of the above. There's a very handy comparison chart on mobileread.com website that compares most popular models. (And if you're considering investing in one, get to know that site. It's very cool!) I'll see if I can dig up a link.

P.S. Stupid Sony.

ETA: Here's the general link to their Wiki which you would probably enjoy browsing: http://wiki.mobileread.com/wiki/Main_Page

And here's the link to the reader comparison chart: http://wiki.mobileread.com/wiki/E-book_Reader_Matrix

They keep it pretty up to date too. I guess mobile readers are a dedicated bunch. :)
« Last Edit: October 16, 2009, 11:46:19 PM by Ms Mort if You're Nasty »
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Re: Kindle
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2009, 12:07:19 AM »
Thanks for those links!  I've bookmarked the Wiki and will read it carefully when I'm a bit more awake.  I really appreciate all the info, it feels like I've got a better grasp on things now.  Thanks!  :-*
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