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Re: Getting Huge Protest About Leaving
« Reply #15 on: August 29, 2009, 07:25:57 PM »
Hi Julie, just wanted to send you some hugs because we all have been in similar situations with our own families.

Just remember you have to live your own life and not worry so much about what your parents have to say. Start your planning, it's not like you need their help in doing it and cut the apron strings and don't let them get you down.  :-* This site is great for support.  :)


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Re: Getting Huge Protest About Leaving
« Reply #16 on: August 31, 2009, 02:52:08 PM »
All I can think of is, "they were screaming all these insults and bloody doom and gloom at you making your cry and hyperventilate in front of your children???????????? Says it all about their motives.


Re: Getting Huge Protest About Leaving
« Reply #17 on: September 01, 2009, 11:00:02 AM »
All I can think of is, "they were screaming all these insults and bloody doom and gloom at you making your cry and hyperventilate in front of your children???????????? Says it all about their motives.

Yeah, it's not on.

And sorry, but when you have three young children, excepting cases of abuse, it's not as simple as 'I don't love him anymore so that's it' or 'We're not 100% solid so it's better for us to split than give this a go' etc., etc.  Because you're not just talking about you and him anymore but an entire family.

I'm not saying you have to be miserable for the rest of your life, but at the same time this move isn't akin to a prison sentence or a crime against humanity.  You give it go, if it doesn't work out then it's time to go to counselling and make some decisions.

My folks have been married for 45 years.  And one thing they've both been adamant about is, again excepting abuse or addictions, is to never even so much as comment on our marriages.  My mom will put up her hand and say, 'I don't even want to hear it,' because as she wisely says, there are two sides to every story.

She'd never dream of suggesting either one of us split up our families because of her own selfish agenda. 

And if we did keep throwing out the negative, well, she'd point out hte positive because she's a very positive person.


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Re: Getting Huge Protest About Leaving
« Reply #18 on: September 01, 2009, 11:20:33 AM »
I know this is way harder to say than to actually put into practice, but I've seen this said lots of times: just cause you share genetic material, does not automatically make the relationship sacroscant (sp?). Relatives cross lines too!
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Re: Getting Huge Protest About Leaving
« Reply #19 on: September 01, 2009, 11:26:07 AM »
I don't have any advice but wanted to say my heart goes out to you, sounds like you're in a tough situation every which way - I hope you get through it all  x


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Re: Getting Huge Protest About Leaving
« Reply #20 on: September 01, 2009, 06:22:20 PM »
I know this is way harder to say than to actually put into practice, but I've seen this said lots of times: just cause you share genetic material, does not automatically make the relationship sacroscant (sp?). Relatives cross lines too!

I agree with Mort.








Re: Getting Huge Protest About Leaving
« Reply #21 on: September 15, 2009, 11:03:26 PM »
Thanks to all of you who responded.  I appreciate all your advice and support. 

Today concluded round 5 of this crap. I am the one they keep trying to knock down.   The realtor is comming today so I ask my mom for some help with the kids.  "So your moving to Scotland?" She asked.  Yep. That's been the plan for the last several months.  I don't know how to make it much more plain. 

My mother has now concluded that I am "abandoning" my family and insists that everything is coming as such a shock to her that it will probably kill her.  She says I'll never see them again because my dad won't fly.  Oh, really?  Never stopped him from flying before or taking risks like racing cars...Hmmmmm.

Plus, apparently I am screwing up my children's lives, especially my oldest.  She told me I'm just going to "jerk" him out of his new school and put him somewhere where he is a stranger; he'll never survive.  Of course, everything that goes wrong is going to be my fault because I am the one doing it.  "What kind of 'control' does he {my husband} have over you,"  she asks. Yeah, I am a Stepford (right spelling??) wife and I cannot think for myself.  She told me just to "divorce the SOB" and let him figure out how to take care of his family himself.  So now he's an SOB.  Wasn't an SOB when he helped move things for you.  Wasn't an SOB last time we went to the lake together.  What gives?

This bs is driving me to go, and in fact, it's making me anxious to go, just to get away.

Just a minute...I have to add another good reason to move on my list.  Let me get my pen and paper...Okay, #53) Must get away from Mother as soon as humanly possible.

Thanks for letting me vent.


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Re: Getting Huge Protest About Leaving
« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2009, 03:04:48 AM »
At this point you are going ahead with the move which you need to do what is right for your family...you just need to tell your parents that they are wasting all their time fighting you about this when they could be spending as much time with you and their grandchildren as they can before you leave...they are missing out on so much..and they are being selfish and greedy...You have to follow your heart...Hugs
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Re: Getting Huge Protest About Leaving
« Reply #23 on: September 17, 2009, 05:21:24 PM »
Plus, apparently I am screwing up my children's lives, especially my oldest.  She told me I'm just going to "jerk" him out of his new school and put him somewhere where he is a stranger; he'll never survive.
Well, speaking from my own perspective, sometimes moving can be a positive thing. I was a lot like your son - bookish, teased, etc. We moved a couple of times while I was in school and each time things got a bit better for me, because I was able to start over in a new place where people didn't already have preconceived ideas about me. Moving has given me resilience and adaptability that I value very much now.

Your mother's picture of the future is not the only possible one, and it sounds like it's based on fear, not reason. I'm sorry you're having to deal with so much of her drama.


Re: Getting Huge Protest About Leaving
« Reply #24 on: September 17, 2009, 05:50:05 PM »
Well, speaking from my own perspective, sometimes moving can be a positive thing. I was a lot like your son - bookish, teased, etc. We moved a couple of times while I was in school and each time things got a bit better for me, because I was able to start over in a new place where people didn't already have preconceived ideas about me. Moving has given me resilience and adaptability that I value very much now.

Your mother's picture of the future is not the only possible one, and it sounds like it's based on fear, not reason. I'm sorry you're having to deal with so much of her drama.

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Thank you so much for that.  I have to think postitively about my son.  He was a blue baby and has some motor skill problems, but (praise be to God) intellectually he is amazing.  He throws one leg over the other which causes him to run slowly.  His hips rotate instead of remain stationary when he runs, and on top of that he's already 5'0" at age 8!  In the US people, especially adults, have a mean-spirited attitude when it comes to sports and we have been instructed by the physician to get him moving to help his coordination.  There have been adults laugh at him (and not knowing I am his mom) at sporting events.  I have wanted to come out of my chair and give them a piece of me. 

He has problems with penmanship so that is an ongoing.  I worry about getting him caught up in math, but hopefully I can get (and afford) a tutor. He has a lot of promise but is a victim, in some ways, of a crappy school system. So no matter what, my wee boy will face challenges whether we are here or there.

What p.'s me off is that my mom is playing emotional blackmail with me and in reference to one of my most valued things- my children and their lives.  She paints such a bleak picture for him that I almost think that by saying things out loud she is dooming him to a bad fate.  Sounds superstitious but it's kind of along the lines of self-fulfilling prophecy which states what you say about yourself will come to fruition.  And in my line of thought, her verbal onslaught is damaging not only to me but especially him.  If she loves him half as much as she says she does, she should think of positive things and not bring me to the point of panic.

Besides, my mom's suggestion of breaking up my family (ie suggesting my husband go back alone to take care of his parents) would be far more damaging to him than having to move to a new country and a new school.  When we visited, all my cousins (in law) and their children gravitated right to him and played, so at least he'll have family to play with.

Thanks again for your input. I am hoping for the best, especially for my son  ;D


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Re: Getting Huge Protest About Leaving
« Reply #25 on: September 17, 2009, 06:46:31 PM »
IMLE, sports aren't  pushed as much in the schools in the UK. It tends to be more of an extracurricular thing. Also, cursive, as US folk know it, isn't taught there either for the most part. It's more connected printing, which he may find easier. There used to be a thread about that here somewhere...

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Re: Getting Huge Protest About Leaving
« Reply #26 on: September 17, 2009, 10:23:34 PM »
I'm so sorry about your mom's attitude.  I'm so glad that you're getting support here to help you make this change in your life.  I'll keep checking in to see how things are going.  It sounds like you have many different challenges - but the fact that you can identify those challenges and address them means you're on the right path.

I agree that sports are definitely not the same in the UK - especially different from their importance in a state like Oklahoma.  (I'm in Texas now - so we share that sport culture!)

As an aside - We talk to my husband's parents every week on the computer (via skype) for free.  It's so easy to use that they can do it from home and now even have a laptop so they can move the camera around their house.  It has really helped create a relationship with his parents for my son.  We visit with them at least once a year and when we went over to England this time my son (4yrsold) ran into their outstretched arms at the airport.  I lived in a different state from my grandparents and we never were as close as he is - even though we did talk on the phone occasionally.  Perhaps before you go you could suggest to your parents the skype option and help them set it up at home.  That might help your parents deal with the physical loss of their grandchildren.  (I'm sure they won't love the idea, but it's better than the other alternatives IMO.)


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Re: Getting Huge Protest About Leaving
« Reply #27 on: September 18, 2009, 04:25:17 PM »
IMLE, sports aren't pushed as much in the schools in the UK. It tends to be more of an extracurricular thing. Also, cursive, as US folk know it, isn't taught there either for the most part. It's more connected printing, which he may find easier. There used to be a thread about that here somewhere...


That explains a lot.  My husband can't write cursive or won't.  It's pretty illegible anyway. 



I agree that sports are definitely not the same in the UK - especially different from their importance in a state like Oklahoma.  (I'm in Texas now - so we share that sport culture!)


I am glad sports aren't pushed.  Living in the middle of football central has turned me off sports for life.  Neither my husband nor I are into sports and find it a waste of time (no offense to sports fanatics).  For some reason people here think the be-all and end-all of life depends on college football. 

I will be buying my dad a webcam before we leave to make sure he doesn't put off buying one!My dad lives on YouTube when he's not reading news on the internet.  Luckily, he is computer savvy and we'll be able to talk.  Since he's retired we can see him during the day (here) when everybody is at home in the evenings (there).

Unfortunately, I don't think I'll be able to face my mother for a long time.  I love her but my parents are complete opposites.  My father is pale; my mother dark (and by that I mean more than just skin tone).  He is reasonable, pragmatic; she is emotional and subjective.  He is self-taught; she is university taught with 5 degrees. He can let go; she's controlling. 

I can't mesh with the woman who gave me life and it hurts.  Even growing up, my mother was always going to school to add to her growing list of qualifications.  As a teenager (the worst years) she was always studying, going to night school, or falling asleep on the couch.  Who did I talk to about boys, cliques, mean girls and periods?  My dad!  My dad filled a void that mom couldn't.  We would listen to talk radio on the porch in the evening and talk about history, current events, spirituality, cars (knew more about engines than my bf's).  My sister would laugh at us when we would talk and debate (she takes after my mother for sure).  On weekends I would watch movies like Dirty Harry and First Blood with him.  Still can't get into "chick flicks" for that very reason!

What I am trying to convey is that my dad taught me; my mother instructed me, told me how it would be and what I should do.  But, she never really "knew" me.  She made my prom dresses and clothes; she was the one that doled out punishment.  When it came to the intrinsic things of growing up, it was always Daddy that knew the inner workings of my mind.  When they would go shopping for clothes to buy or souvenirs to bring home from a trip, my dad always had to tell my mother what I liked. Weird, huh?

And if you wonder why I call her "Mother" and my dad "Daddy" it's because my mother would not let me call her "Mommy" or "Mom" after age 7.  It was really sad and kinda cold, really.
 
Yesterday, my dad called.  He basically apologized for my mother's behavior.  He said it hurts to let us go.  He said he was losing his baby and her boys.  My mother never mentioned missing me- just the kids, especially the younger two.  This brings me to another point.  My oldest son looks just like my dad and I favor my dad as well.  She is really focusing her attention on my oldest and almost targeting his lack of social adaptability as a reason for staying here in the states.  It almost seems to me that she is inadvertently (or intentionally?) targeting him as a way to get back at me, and clearly, she is jealous that I am much, much closer to my father.

Ahhh.  Therapy.  Thanks for letting me vent again and again and again.  Probably TMI but it feels good to get feedback rather than just sitting down with my thoughts or trying to journal... You all understand, hopefully.

Now where is that parent venting thread?


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Re: Getting Huge Protest About Leaving
« Reply #28 on: September 18, 2009, 05:37:10 PM »
Julie everything you said below makes perfect sense. I am glad that your father is starting to realize that they are giving you a hard time...and that he admits that he is upset he is losing you. But he should know you will always be there for him and he should always be there for you. I am sorry to hear about your relationship with your mother. But from what you described she has been like this since you were little. It sounds like it won't change. But at least now that you understand the situation more it might help you a little with the stress.

I find it sad that she wouldn't let you call her mom or mommy after a certain age. Mother does sound very cold...But it is like your dad said he is losing his baby...she is moving away. My dad and mom are like that right now. They knew I was going to get my visa and move back to England with my husband...but they both have said how sad they are and that they are going to miss me...but they also know that Jason is what makes me happy and they just want me to be happy...I am sure your father wants that for you as well..it is just hard for him right now. And maybe your mother wants that too for you she just can't see past her anger...

I think you are handling this situation very well...it is stressful but you seem to handling everything. Good Luck
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Re: Getting Huge Protest About Leaving
« Reply #29 on: September 21, 2009, 11:53:14 PM »
eh I know how you feel.  My inlaws are the same way with us wanting to move back to the states.  I just can't afford to live here unless my wife finds a part time job, but that's almost impossible since she has two kids to watch.  We'd get harassed about why we're moving, etc.  It's time for my parents to see the grand kids and I miss my family.


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