UK: Islam4UK banned

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8453560.stm





My own opinion: it was completely distasteful and disrespectful to plan their protest in Wooten Bassett.  However, I am afraid that banning the organization is not the solution either and could just spur more hate/protests/terrorism, etc.



Just as a subtext- please keep comments clean.  No snarky remarks and keep an open mind.

My own opinion: it was completely distasteful and disrespectful to plan their protest in Wooten Bassett.  However, I am afraid that banning the organization is not the solution either and could just spur more hate/protests/terrorism, etc.

I agree with you.  I personally think they're in need of a good a$$-kicking, but I wonder if banning them was the best way to show a commitment to democratic ideals.  Unless there's a very compelling need to ban an organization, I think the "I disapprove of what you're saying, but I'll defend your right to say it" philosophy applies here.

That said, the BBC article didn't give any examples of what the organization has said that got them banned.  Maybe they were right to do so.

I suppose what banning them does is enable  the authorities to take action against them if they turn up in another guise. But no, it won't make them go away and it might backfire. But then on the other hand, should the government just sit back and let any kind of extremist group carry on as they like because we're too scared to do anything in case it backfires? It's a difficult situation whichever way you look at it.

They were previously a banned organisation but changed their name.

They are banned on the grounds that they incite violence and preach hatred....so we just need to include the BNP into this list of banned organisations then.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/jan/12/islam4uk-banned-alan-johnson-islamist

Apparently existing leglislations automatically bans any succesor organisation, so they've got that covered. 

I think the BNP got round being a banned group because they changed their rules so non-white people could join.

This is all a dog and pony show.

The policies of current and past Labour and Conservative governments are the reason why those sort of people are here in the first place.  And the current foreign policy of this country is what helps incite them.  If these two problems I mentioned aren't fixed then the problem will never go away.

This is all a dog and pony show.

The policies of current and past Labour and Conservative governments are the reason why those sort of people are here in the first place.  And the current foreign policy of this country is what helps incite them.  If these two problems I mentioned aren't fixed then the problem will never go away.

Which two problems?  "Policies" and "foreign policy"?

Now I agree everyone is entitled to their own opinion as long as it is not forced upon others.

Some people get on their high horse for catholic beliefs, Muslim beliefs, animal rights and the list goes on...Now while I don't agree with their views, beliefs and or practices stating this be the news article,

"The banning order will come into effect on Thursday and make it a criminal offence to be a member, punishable by up to 10 years in prison."

seems a bit steep as maybe I am not up to date on the news but is this specific group already pegged for terrorism or do they just see them as a terrorist threat because they wanted to do a protest ?

Am I missing something?  Are they just making an example of a group so others won't step over the line ?

The policies of current and past Labour and Conservative governments are the reason why those sort of people are here in the first place.  

it stems from after the war when we saw the break up of the empire but felt that people who had fought for this country had a right to live in this country.

I also agree that whilst this group is distasteful and offensive, banning them is not the way to go.  This article pretty much sums it up for me. 

I'm not quite sure whether I support the banning or not.

On the one hand, the Mitchell quote of "When they allow a gay pride march through the real Mecca, Saudi Arabia may be a country worth visiting" does stir something in me which wants them to be free to do that.

But at the same time, I think it's missing a practical and moral point. Practically, we shouldn't establish cast-iron principles and just let reality deal with them. But morally, I don't think we *are* that society, that antithesis of Saudi Arabia. We have a right to protect our "holy sites", with the threat of prison and state violence if need be. It's our society and if they act like that, they have no reason to expect us to do anything but mistreat and abuse them.

The policies of current and past Labour and Conservative governments are the reason why those sort of people are here in the first place. 

Disagree 100%

And the current foreign policy of this country is what helps incite them.

Agree 100%