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Moving from the US to the UK and then where?
« on: April 16, 2010, 06:15:53 PM »
We watch a series on the TV that show people shopping for homes internationally. We find it very interesting. Most of the people from the UK move to Spain because of the climate and cost of housing. Most people from the US go to the Caribbean or Central America I think.

My DW really likes the idea of Portugal. What do you hear about Portugal?
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Re: Moving from the US to the UK and then where?
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2010, 08:40:46 AM »
Don't know anything about Portugal, Jim.  My in-laws have a holiday flat (where they could live year-round if they wanted) in Cyprus - that is another popular option with the advantage that, having once been part of the British Empire, English is as universally spoken as Greek - well on the ethnically Greek part of Cyprus anyway.

I love the idea of moving to Spain, but....unemployment there is worse than in the UK, IIRC and possibly employment disadvantages (for me) with not being a Spanish speaker.  (My husband speaks Spanish but thinks it would be really difficult to move & settle there, vs just visiting.)  Maybe when we retire!

Another thing is you have to be very, very careful with some of the foreign property buys over here, making you sure you have really good legal representation in the country where you are buying & so forth, that is going to do thorough research & all the right investigation on the property - relevant to that country/local area/etc.  You often hear of various people's foreign property ownership dreams all going t*ts up - after they've already upped sticks & no longer have a place in the UK, then some antiquated law turns up or the local municipal authorities where they bought suddenly decide to enforce some suddenly discovered old law that finds the person didn't have the right to have purchased that land or property after all, and then they're SOL.

Like people buying somewhere that is/was supposed to be environmentally protected land, for instance - the local government changes & the new one decides to now enforce that.  Or maybe they decide to build a dam or reservoir that is going to flood your land, and perhaps you don't have similar legal protections that you might have in the UK.

Or, another example, in Cyprus, I know, there are ongoing concerns from all the troubles back in the 1970s, when the country was rent in two between the ethnically Greek side and the ethnically Turkish side - so whole communities of Greeks or Turks were quickly evacuated to the other side, leaving abandoned communities where the evacuated parties owned property.  I think technically that still belongs to them, even though they haven't lived there for years - effectively ghost towns.  I understand a few people are starting to inhabit some of those communities again, although there seems to be quite a stigma attached to doing so.  But what if the original owners come back & decide to make a claim, now that the troubles have cooled off between the two sides of the country?

For their part, my in-laws bought their holiday flat in a new build resort apartment complex community, and while they have enjoyed it for several years - they really only use it a couple of months per year, which they have decided hardly seems worth it for having to pay for its upkeep, utilities, management fees, etc year-round.  Plus they now have friends with a sizeable house up in a mountain village, who live there year-round, that they could stay with when they go.  They don't want to let their flat as a holiday place for strangers (like through a holiday leasing outfit) because the flat is in good condition, they don't want it to get trashed, and they'd just rather not mess with all that.

My in-laws would like to sell their flat, for the right price, but the property market there has bottomed and places aren't selling anymore.  My in-laws toyed with the idea of moving there year-round, but in the end, decided they didn't want to - being so far from DH & his brother, and other considerations.  So it's created another set of problems for them.  They had to set up a separate will/estate plan for Cyprus, because when something happens to one or both of them, the flat there won't be covered under British inheritance laws & so forth.
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Re: Moving from the US to the UK and then where?
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2010, 02:35:09 PM »
I don't know if this is still the case, but there were issues with illegal building in Spain a few years ago.  For whatever reason nobody checked to see if new houses and apartment blocks were actually legal, and it transpired that they were not--and everyone who bought one was, as you say, SOL.

On the original topic, I wouldn't be surprised if someday DH manages to persuade me to move to France or something.  My in-laws plan to retire there and have been slowly working on fixing up an old house they bought years ago and getting their house in the UK ready to sell.  My husband's not so keen on Spain, as he doesn't speak any Spanish (though I did teach him how to ask for beer, paella, and sparkling mineral water ;) ).  I still haven't been to Portugal but it is a relatively poor country, which makes it good for vacation but possibly difficult to live in.  I imagine it's beautiful, though.  Why not take a long vacation there sometime and see what it's like before you start making plans to move?
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Re: Moving from the US to the UK and then where?
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2010, 06:16:22 PM »
Since my original post there has been trouble in Dodge ;D

Riots in Greece, Jamaica and then there are financial issues in Spain and Portugal, so things are unstable in the world and especially in some of the places Brits were moving to.


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Re: Moving from the US to the UK and then where?
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2010, 06:45:08 PM »
Best to just stay put in the USA, huh - Jim?
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Re: Moving from the US to the UK and then where?
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2010, 09:56:21 PM »
I spend hours a day looking at Rightmove and dreaming. Now they have Streetview so I can really dream some more.
This morning I took a look see at Eastbourne and that really turned me off. Sussex is supposed to be a really nice county but not at my price range.
I also have to study what new car I will buy in the next 45 days. I would like to go without one for awhile but DW says we have to have one.


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Re: Moving from the US to the UK and then where?
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2010, 08:20:03 AM »
I'd be inclined to agree with Mrs R - things are not great at the moment......... :-\\\\


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Re: Moving from the US to the UK and then where?
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2010, 06:19:35 PM »
Hi Jim,

Financial 'issues' and 'woes' stretch much further than just Greece, Spain and Portugal. The PIIGS nations - Portugal, Italy, Ireland, Greece, Spain are the ones which will really wobble first, Greece has already begun and the others will probably follow if the economies around the world dont start to recover. The United Kingdom also has some massive pains, and will continue to be very painful for at least some years yet - the forthcoming budget announcement and where and how cuts will be made, taxes increased etc is sure to create some hefty ripples through the markets. The Eurozone as a whole is feeling some almighty pains and it's hard to see how things will recover without some form of change or shift in member states if economic growth the world over doesnt happen soon enough.

Looks like VAT will rise to 20% in the UK fairly soon, interest rates are mooted to start rising sooner rather than later - perhaps by the end of 2010 there'll have been some increases - add the cuts and increased taxation the UK will most likely be the last to really painfully come out of the G8 countries financial woes, over the next 3-5 years.

Streetview is great to check things out with! however, you say you've been turned off Eastbourne at your price range. What kind of price range do you have for the property you want/need?

A new car - sounds great! make sure you get one thats perhaps a few monhts old and has already taken a hit on depreciation ;)

Cheers, DtM! West London & Slough UK!


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Re: Moving from the US to the UK and then where?
« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2010, 06:25:39 PM »
Not sure where you are planning to settle but if you may very well not need a car to get around.  Loads of people never drive anywhere and with as many transport options as there are, the expense may not be worth it either. 

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