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Several Urgent PETS Scheme Questions
« on: September 30, 2010, 02:14:27 AM »
Some fairly urgent questions re: the PETS scheme...

1) The EC 998 form asks for vet stamps, I believe.  My vet says he is certified, and has completed the EC 998 form up through the point of getting the necessary result from Kansas, but has affixed no "stamp" - just his signature.  Is a stamp of some kind really required?

2) Is it really true that I need the original copy of the Kansas paperwork that was received by the vet?  I didn't get it when the results were sent out, and now I'm worried my vet might not have retained the original is his records.

3) What is the process that one must go through if all the steps are completed successfully, but I can't have my dog travel in the 4-month window?  What is the exact procedure for extending this window?

4) My dog will have completed her 6-months wait after her blood drawn in mid-December, but I will be with my wife in England until early December.  I don't have the USDA step completed just yet, and am leaving for this trip next week.  What happens if more than 6 months has passed since a successful blood draw as verified by the Kansas lab, but I can't get to a USDA vet till a while after the 6-month wait from the time of the blood draw has passed? 

5) I understand I will have to fly my pet on British Airways from Dulles outside Washington, DC, to Heathrow.  Do I have to be on the same flight as my pet? 

6) And an addendum to #5 -- do I have to be the one to pick up my pet?  That is, can I send my dog ahead of my own travel, and have my wife pick her up at Heathrow, with me flying in a day or two later?

These are all fairly urgent questions since I leave for England on 6 Oct and won't be back till 8 December.  Successful blood draw occurred on 15 June 2010, and 6 months will be up then on 15 December 2010.  Do I need to send up hail Mary's and try to get my dog to a USDA vet before I leave on my trip??

Thanks, thanks, thanks, & cheers!
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Re: Several Urgent PETS Scheme Questions
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2010, 02:32:58 AM »
wow, a lot of good questions you have.

The Vet Stamp I believe is mandatory.  (Your Vet should have a stamp or should be able to get one)
Not sure however, maybe someone else can answer this.

My Vet kept all the papers together that were needed, all originals, and all were sent with the dogs on their flight.

Your vet should be able to give you advise about the 4 month time frame.  I do believe you will have to re-do some things of the scheme, but I could be dead wrong.

Ask your vet about what to do after 6 months, as I have 'heard' that you can simply kept the pet updated for travel, but not sure how much is true on this.  I was told that if I missed the flight time frame or went over it, that I could expect to do a repeat of things.

Your pet does NOT have to fly on same flight as you.  I flew my 2 dogs over on BA from Atlanta, where a friend of mine delivered the dogs to ba, as I was already in England.  A friend took care of all the final stages of the process for me.  If pets do not fly with you, I believe that even BA now requires a Pet Travel Agent to be required for delivery for flight.  When I flew mine over this year in May BA did not require such, but Delta did.  The Pet Travel Agents do cost a good bit to use.

We had to show ID at the Animal Reception Center to get our dogs.  It was all done in my hubby's name and he had to be there, but if it is done in both names then your wife could probably pick them up.  You could call the Animal Reception Center at Heathrow and ask them this.

I am not much help, but I do wish you loads of luck, as I know how stressful it can be.

I am sure someone who is an expert in Pet issues will be along to post and help you out.


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Re: Several Urgent PETS Scheme Questions
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2010, 02:48:50 AM »
wow, a lot of good questions you have.

The Vet Stamp I believe is mandatory.  (Your Vet should have a stamp or should be able to get one)
Not sure however, maybe someone else can answer this.

It needs to be stamped by the USDA vet in charge of your area. I.e. your vet plus that vet are needed to fill out the paperwork.

Here are some images of completed forms that might help: http://talk.uk-yankee.com/index.php?topic=53014.0

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Re: Several Urgent PETS Scheme Questions
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2010, 02:51:51 AM »
2) Is it really true that I need the original copy of the Kansas paperwork that was received by the vet?  I didn't get it when the results were sent out, and now I'm worried my vet might not have retained the original is his records.

Yes, you need the original. They will get it back and you need to ask for it from them. It has a sticker on it.

5) I understand I will have to fly my pet on British Airways from Dulles outside Washington, DC, to Heathrow.  Do I have to be on the same flight as my pet? 

No. Some airlines allow this and some don't. BA allows it.

6) And an addendum to #5 -- do I have to be the one to pick up my pet?  That is, can I send my dog ahead of my own travel, and have my wife pick her up at Heathrow, with me flying in a day or two later?

I haven't seen any requirement, however I understand that several people come and ask you questions about the paperwork before you get your pet. I don't see how someone else would be able to answer them.

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Re: Several Urgent PETS Scheme Questions
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2010, 02:55:26 AM »
Your vet should be able to give you advise about the 4 month time frame.  I do believe you will have to re-do some things of the scheme, but I could be dead wrong.

In my opinion don't rely on your vet for information on this process! They might make a small but critical mistake because there are lots of specific steps. They can't be experts on everything. You need to know the exact procedure and then tell your vet what to do or not do. You need to be in control otherwise your pet will end up in quarantine.

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Re: Several Urgent PETS Scheme Questions
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2010, 03:17:00 AM »
So from what I understand so far...

The results from the Kansas lab -- it is absolutely necessary to have to ORIGINAL paperwork, and in fact, it has to be taken to the USDA vet -- right?

No answer given on what happens if I can't do the USDA step until (shortly) after the 6-month frame from blood draw.  And another question on this one ... do I actually take my dog to the USDA vet?  I assume yes...

It's okay if my vet just signs the EC 998 form in the appropriate places; it's the USDA stamp / sticker that is required -- sounds a little iffy on this one??

Perhaps one of the most important to me -- sounded like some conflicting thoughts on whether I could send my dog to Heathrow early and have my wife pick her up. Maybe if both our names are on the info?  And the EC 998 form is only in my name ... by "info" I'm hoping that means whatever paperwork I do for the airline?

Jeez, I hope I can get a quick appointment with the USDA vet if necessary!!  :-(  :-(

And oh, yeah, I definitely know it is NOT safe to rely on the vet's understanding of the process.  Mine has been pretty clueless all along.  Thank goodness for all you great folks here!!

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Re: Several Urgent PETS Scheme Questions
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2010, 03:26:59 AM »
OK, a bit of confusion here.

Your vet has to be USDA accredited/certified. They do the rabies blood draw and fill out the EC998.

Then you take it to the USDA vet in charge of your area for the "Endorsement by the competent authority".

So there are two USDA vets involved.

You don't take your pet to the USDA vet in charge of your area. That is really just paying a fee to get it signed and stamped.

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Re: Several Urgent PETS Scheme Questions
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2010, 09:33:10 AM »
The results from the Kansas lab -- it is absolutely necessary to have to ORIGINAL paperwork, and in fact, it has to be taken to the USDA vet -- right?

Yes, you will know that it is the original form because it will have a sticker on it with the results. The rest of the form will likely look like a photocopy, but the physical sticker proves it was the real deal from KS. You need to bring that, the rabies certificate, and the EC 998 form to the USDA vet for endorsement. (You can probably also mail this in, but that will depend on the USDA vet for your state.)

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No answer given on what happens if I can't do the USDA step until (shortly) after the 6-month frame from blood draw.  And another question on this one ... do I actually take my dog to the USDA vet?  I assume yes...

You don't take your dog, just the forms. As long as 1) the rabies vaccination date is prior to the blood draw date 2) the rabies expiry date is in the future, you're fine, even if the blood work happened more than 6 months ago. If the rabies vaccine is set to expire before you travel, you can get a new vaccination done and include both certificates in your paperwork and that is fine (just make sure to have the microchip # on both certificates).

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It's okay if my vet just signs the EC 998 form in the appropriate places; it's the USDA stamp / sticker that is required -- sounds a little iffy on this one??

I can check when I get home, but I think my vet's "stamp" was just their standard "___ Vet Hospital, __ Street, City, State" one, it wasn't anything more official. My vet also signed/dated the form. The USDA did stamp the date on the form with their endorsement, which is what starts the 4-month window for travel.

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Perhaps one of the most important to me -- sounded like some conflicting thoughts on whether I could send my dog to Heathrow early and have my wife pick her up. Maybe if both our names are on the info?  And the EC 998 form is only in my name ... by "info" I'm hoping that means whatever paperwork I do for the airline?

I flew my dog/cat via BA from Dulles -> Heathrow in April. My mom dropped my boys off at Dulles and I picked them up at Heathrow, so that should be fine. I had to fax a form to James Cargo (the agent BA uses at Heathrow), and I believe that included my contact info (as the person picking up the animals). There was no problem about different people doing the dropping off/picking up, but there was also no notification. (I imagine if I'd been running horribly late or something, they would have called, but I arrived about 30min before my boys got off the plane, so there was no need to phone.) The flight landed at 9:15am and I arrived at Heathrow ARC at 10am, and walked out with the boys about 11am, so provided your wife arrives in good time, it should be fine.

I don't know if someone addressed it, but in answer to your "if travel doesn't happen in the 4 months" question, you would need to re-fill out the EC 998 form and get the new one endorsed by the USDA vet, which would give you a new 4-month window. Shouldn't be an issue, though, since you don't have to do the USDA endorsement the minute the 6 month waiting period ends, so you can plan to have the 4-month window be when you plan to travel.

Good luck!
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Re: Several Urgent PETS Scheme Questions
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2010, 06:22:04 PM »
Oh what a nightmare the pets thing is. :)

I can not add anything to the answers you have already received except this one....My cats are flying back to the Uk next week (on British Airways) .
I was erroneously told that their ticket had to be booked by a pet travel agent.This is apparently true only for pets leaving the UK.It is not true for pets going from US TO the UK. I booked their tickets myself through BA world cargo.

Their flight was canceled last week due to the heat wave in Dallas.

                               
                                            Good luck to you and your doggy :)


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Re: Several Urgent PETS Scheme Questions
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2010, 07:52:56 PM »
my vet has her stamp not the vets office stamp on everything she did........here in nc you are able to fed ex paperwork to the usda to be stamped......im sure you can do that everywhere......might save you the hassle of going all over the place..........i actually went to the usda  being that i went to visit some friends in raleigh.......took my two babies with me......just for fun.......the usda specifically asked for all copies of results from kansas, rabies vaccine, and microchip certificate.....all of which i had stamped.


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