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Too early?
« on: January 29, 2011, 12:46:00 PM »
I won't be moving for... well... a very long time  ::) (lol!)

But, from what I gather US RNs must work 2 years here to be able to hop the pond and get a job. Would it be best to apply for jobs in the UK when I make a trip to check out flats? And how far in advance of the move should I be checking out flats/job hunting and applying for a visa? Also, is 30,000-40,000 GBP going to cover everything?? Like the payment for the flat, utilities, foodies, tranportation, the visa junk, and the time I'm going to be staying in England on holiday while looking for said flat and a job?

Just trying to get a general ideal... there's sooo much information on here, I feel like it's pouring out of my ears  [smiley=laugh4.gif]


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Re: Too early?
« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2011, 01:47:14 PM »
Oh, dear, where to start?  First, you've got some fundamental misconceptions about how the UK visas and immigration process works.  You can't just "hop the pond" as you say.  If you want to move here, first you must secure a job offer, after that a visa, and finally a flat.  Were you to show up at the airport and inform the immigration officer that you intended to go flat and job hunting, you'd find yourself on the next available plane back to the US.  This may sound harsh, but you have got to get your head out of the clouds if you are serious about moving to the UK.  It is not an easy process and it will only get harder in the coming years.  Also, I expect you'll find that your timeline is not very realistic.  While it may be true that the minimum requirement for foreign-trained RNs to get a job in the UK is a degree and 2 years experience, there are other factors to consider as well.  In order for you to qualify for a Tier 2 (work-based) visa, your potential employer must pass the resident labour market test.  This means that they must show that they cannot find a UK or EU citizen who can do the job before they are able to offer it to a non-EU citizen.  How likely do you think it is that a hospital in Newcastle will not be able to find a UK citizen to fill what is basically an entry-level nursing position?  To get a Tier 2 visa as a nurse, you will need a lot more than two years of experience.  Really, you would need to be very skilled and specialised in a highly-needed field.  There are some nursing positions on the Skills Shortage List (jobs for which non-EU citizens can be hired without the Resident Labour Market test) but they are highly skilled and specialised. 

What I'd recommend is that you see about spending a year abroad at Newcastle Uni and seeing how you like the place before making a firm decision to live there.  It's easy to get swept away by romantic ideas about the UK, but the reality is something different.  You may find that you love it here but there's also a chance that you may not.  Moving to another country is a big deal and you need more than hearsay and Google Maps to decide whether a place is right for you. 

The other thing that you really, seriously need to think about is that immigration rules and requirements change very quickly.  What is true today will unquestionably not be true in five years.  It is simply impossible to make any plans that far in advance.  Five years ago, Tier 2 didn't exist, and in five years it will likely have been replaced by something else.  Also, you have no way of knowing what twists and turns your life will take in that time.  By all means take some holidays in the UK, study here, explore the country and see if it suits you.  But you should also make a life for yourself in the US, in case the move doesn't end up happening.  With some dreams, you have to play the long game. 
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Re: Too early?
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2011, 01:54:54 PM »
Good luck with your move. Yes, it is too early to consider these things if you're just getting ready to start your degree and will need to gain work experience prior to moving. I was wondering though, have you considered studying nursing in the UK?


Re: Too early?
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2011, 06:13:28 PM »
[...] You can't just "hop the pond" as you say.  If you want to move here, first you must secure a job offer, after that a visa, and finally a flat.  Were you to show up at the airport and inform the immigration officer that you intended to go flat and job hunting, you'd find yourself on the next available plane back to the US.  This may sound harsh, but you have got to get your head out of the clouds if you are serious about moving to the UK.  It is not an easy process and it will only get harder in the coming years.  Also, I expect you'll find that your timeline is not very realistic.  [...] To get a Tier 2 visa as a nurse, you will need a lot more than two years of experience.  Really, you would need to be very skilled and specialised in a highly-needed field.  There are some nursing positions on the Skills Shortage List (jobs for which non-EU citizens can be hired without the Resident Labour Market test) but they are highly skilled and specialised. 

What I'd recommend is that you see about spending a year abroad at Newcastle Uni and seeing how you like the place before making a firm decision to live there. [...]  You may find that you love it here but there's also a chance that you may not.  Moving to another country is a big deal and you need more than hearsay and Google Maps to decide whether a place is right for you. 
 

I'm finding all this to be very true. As to mention, the "hop the pond" was my very vauge way of summing up the visa process. This is why I joined the forum. You are all so full of information for me to monitor and stockpile. I was thinking of maybe going for my MA in the UK...

This is awesome; thank you for your information.  ;D I figured as well that things would be different in x-amount of years, but again I thought I'd get the general idea.



Re: Too early?
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2011, 06:25:24 PM »
This is awesome; thank you for your information.  ;D I figured as well that things would be different in x-amount of years, but again I thought I'd get the general idea.

The problem is that the 'general idea' of visas change ALL THE TIME. So unless you're prepared to dive into visa intricacies and stay there for the next 6-7 years learning all you can now will be completely worthless when the time comes for you to realistically apply. Best thing to do is come back in 6-12 months before you get ready to really move. UK Immigration rules (especially with work & student visas) are undergoing a radical change as I'm typing this and will undergo even more changes before you would even be close to qualifying...so it really is waaay too early.


Concentrate on getting an education. If you really want to experience the UK then perhaps a student visa is the way for you to go, that way you can realistically start that visa investigation now with the expectation that things will be somewhat similar if and when you chose to apply.

Also if nursing is your choice be aware that programs funded by the NHS you as a person restricted to no access to public funds & public funding would not be allowed to participate in so you may find studying nursing in the UK is not a possibility for you.


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Re: Too early?
« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2011, 08:52:47 PM »
Also if nursing is your choice be aware that programs funded by the NHS you as a person restricted to no access to public funds & public funding would not be allowed to participate in so you may find studying nursing in the UK is not a possibility for you.

Well, that's a bummer!


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