UK: Iraqi asylum seeker who killed girl in hit & run allowed to remain in UK

The children are here, and he met the woman he had them with AFTER he killed the girl. Also, the human rights they ruled on were right to family life NOT that he would be in danger if he returned. His asylum bid had already failed and he was due to be deported. So what does he do when he realises he'll be sent back after committing murder? Finds some sap, knocks her up, bam, right to family life. Sorry, I'm with camoscato, this guy should be kicked out.

It's why Cameron was trying to amend the EU Human rights act to allow the British some protection on their own country.

Here is another high profile case of another immigrant murderer, who was 15 when he murdered a teacher in the UK..


The Home Office argued in the central London tribunal that deporting Chindamo, whose father is Italian and mother is Filipino, was conducive to the public good and was not disproportionate.

Chindamo's lawyers argued he no longer has strong links or family ties with Italy because he has been living in Britain since he was five years old.

Mr Lawrence, 48, was attacked when a gang of 12 youths led by Chindamo went to attack a boy who had quarrelled with a pupil of Filipino origin. The father of four was punched and stabbed by Chindamo and died the same evening.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23409125-headteachers-killer-to-stay-in-uk.do

The easy answer seemed to be to deport his family that raised him, back to Italy, to give him a family life there but that wasn't allowed either.

I thought I read that his child was in his home country and not in the UK?

I looked up about the case after I posted that, and he was eventually granted leave to remain, which he should have been granted to begin with.

The children are here, and he met the woman he had them with AFTER he killed the girl. Also, the human rights they ruled on were right to family life NOT that he would be in danger if he returned. His asylum bid had already failed and he was due to be deported. So what does he do when he realises he'll be sent back after committing murder? Finds some sap, knocks her up, bam, right to family life. Sorry, I'm with camoscato, this guy should be kicked out.

Exactly.

Well, I'm British through and through and I am not for kicking him out, if he gets sent back to Iraq, he'll have learned nothing, and he'll go on quite happily living this life without caring about the poor girl who was killed. No. That's wrong, he should stay here, and he should be put in jail, a few bob out of my pocket a year to put this person in jail, to deny him the freedom and life he robbed of that girl, that is what he deserves, and after he has served his time in prison it should be reviewed whether or not he has the right to stay here, and left up to the people qualified and experienced enough to assess this.

My two cents.

He's already been to prison- he served a grand total of 4 months.

For real, send him home. 

When I worked in my Senator's office wwere always getting letters from people who had adopted kids from overseas, didn't get the kids citizenship (which I can understand if you lose the 1st citizenship) and then were upset when the kid comitted a crime and were being threatened with deportation. 

I felt bad, of course, especially since a lot of these kids were from Vietnam and only spoke English, but if you are not a citizenthese things can happen.  If I had adopted a kid who I knew was a troublemaker I would be sure to get them citizneship.

We had another woman threatened with deportation because when she applied for citizenship she forgot to mention she was once cautioned by Canadian Police about shoplifting some lipstick when she was 15. 

Those cases were extreme (grand lipstick theft got to stay) but at least the right to stay in a forgein country is treated like the benefit that it is. 

I don't want to seem to trivialise this - and I am thinking out loud a bit.....

I hold a concern with, or maybe am confused by, the reporting of sensationalist stories by the press. Obviously in this case the system is not functioning well. But when reading things like this I am often left wondering whether this is a lightening strike or an everyday occurence. Is this guy unique? Or are there 2000 of him walking around.

It is very difficult to design a system that is fool proof. There are those who will always wiggle through the cracks.

I've hadn't done any research but I wouldn't think that being an asylum seeker and killing an innocent child while violating several other laws would be an 'everyday occurence'.  No I don't think he did it on purpose but that doesn't change the fact that if he was obeying the law, this wouldn't have happened.  It's that 'good faith' thing...you can't have legal compassion for someone who is involved in an unfortunate accident when they breaking the law which caused the accident to begin with.  In the US, if someone caused a car accident but the other driver was drunk, the drunk driver would be the one getting the hammer since that person was breaking the law in the first place.

I'm with camoscato on this one.  I make a very conscious effort to not break the law or do anything that could get me in trouble (you don't know how many times I've wanted to say something to the rude, ignorant people on the bus, but I've bit my tongue because I know myself well enough to know that I would end up slapping someone and then that's on my record when I apply for my next visa and citizenship) because I am basically a guest in another country.  If I was back in the US, I would have told those people to sit the $%^ down and shut the @#$^ up in a heartbeat.  If I knew that by 'misbehaving' (for lack of a better word that describes being a criminal) I would be sent back to a place where my life would be in danger, I would try even harder to make sure that I was walking the straight and narrow.

I also think it's a big deal because it sends the message to people that they can come to the UK seeking asylum and then continuously break the law with little reprucussions.  It's like, "Hey people...come on over...we don't mind if you steal stuff, sell drugs and break other laws...even kill someone by accident...it's all good".

I'd love to see the response for my ILR if I had to include things like that in my application.

Obviously in this case the system is not functioning well. But when reading things like this I am often left wondering whether this is a lightening strike or an everyday occurence. Is this guy unique? Or are there 2000 of him walking around.

It is very difficult to design a system that is fool proof. There are those who will always wiggle through the cracks.

This is true as well.  And I realise this is less about his rights than his British family's rights.  I also think that the father of the victim, while understandably distraught, is calling up a lot of very nationalistic/xenophobic language about the asylum seeker rejecting British culture.  Since I've not read about this in the Mail (but heard/read about it on the Beeb), I am assuming he meant the crime of leaving the girl under the wheels of his motor to die.  Now, while vile and despicable, plenty of British people would have done the same thing and plenty of Iraqis would have stuck around despite the consequences.  Being British doesn't mean that you're automatically endowed with a sense of compassion and being "forrin" doesn't automatically mean you lack it.  Even if he is talking about broader disregard for laws, again, it doesn't have to do with culture.  There are plenty of law breakers and law upholders in all cultures.

The government is appealing

The UK Border Agency (UKBA) will appeal against a ruling preventing the deportation of an asylum-seeker who left a girl dying under a car.

Immigration Minister Damian Green made the announcement hours after the prime minister expressed anger at the case.

...the right to stay in a forgein country is treated like the benefit that it is. 

Exactly.  I'm glad that the UK offers asylum seekers the chance at a life free from persecution, but if you're not a citizen, you've got to obey the laws of the country you're in, and if you repeatedly break those laws, that country ought to be able to kick you out.