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Questions about renting house out in USA
« on: September 24, 2012, 07:18:48 PM »
My apologies if this is in the wrong section...

My DH and I own a home together in the USA. He's a UKC and a dualie and I'm a USC. We're hoping to move to the UK next year to be closer to his family.

We have a home that we've owned for 7/8 years. We bought it before the market imploded so we're currently underwater. Luckily for us we just qualified for one of the new refinance programs and were able to refinance with no appraisal and have now got a silly low rate and have therefore reduced our term to just 15 years (from 30). We're hoping to rent the house out for 10 years or so so wait out the current economic issues.

I'm wondering what others have run into in similar situations and my specific questions are these:

1. If we leave the country to move to the UK what happens to the mortgage? Do the mortgage company care that we're moved as long as they continue to be paid on time?

2. We're having a friend across the street be our property manager. He already manages 7 of his own rentals and is also an attorney so we're totally comfortable with him (plus we've known him for 10 years). We want to leave cash in an account for him to pay for things like minor repairs and cross-over periods between tenants where the house is empty. Should we plan on leaving the equivalent of about 3-months rent? More? Less?

3. What are the tax implications for USA taxes and also UK taxes? Our mortgage and property tax payments will likely be a few hundred dollars higher a month than the rent we are able to get for the house... at least initially for the first year or two. If the rental fees (income) and the mortgage/property tax payment and property management fees (outflows) end up to be a wash, are there other tax worries we'll have to deal with?

4. Say in 10 year's time we are able to sell, what will we need to worry about in terms of capital gains tax (USA or UK)? Is there anything we should do ahead of time to minimize tax issues?

I'm hoping someone may be able to offer guidance to us... thanks in advance if you are able :)


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Re: Questions about renting house out in USA
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2012, 08:33:05 PM »
Insert standard caveats about not being a lawyer, accountant, real estate person, etc. I did rent my US house out for 2 years, though, after moving to the UK.

1. If we leave the country to move to the UK what happens to the mortgage? Do the mortgage company care that we're moved as long as they continue to be paid on time?

It depends on your mortgage terms. My mortgage company didn't care (and then, completely unrelated, sold my mortgage on to another company, who also didn't care). Some mortgages are offered only on the condition that it remain a primary residence, though.

You will need to shop around for different homeowner's insurance (which your current company may offer). My insurance went up a bit as a landlord (since they assume a tenant won't take care of the place as well as an owner will).

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2. We're having a friend across the street be our property manager. He already manages 7 of his own rentals and is also an attorney so we're totally comfortable with him (plus we've known him for 10 years). We want to leave cash in an account for him to pay for things like minor repairs and cross-over periods between tenants where the house is empty. Should we plan on leaving the equivalent of about 3-months rent? More? Less?

I'd have to look up exact numbers, but I think I spent about 1/2 a month's rent on repairs during the 2 years of renting out the house. In order to prep it for sale, though, I spent $5k getting it repainted/fresh carpet (which, arguably, I would've had to do for a new tenant even if I didn't sell it), and another $3-4k doing general repairs that came up on the homeowner's inspection I did pre-sale. (The recommendation I've heard, and meant to follow but forgot to, was to get an inspection done every 18 months to keep on top of any building issues so that if/when you sell the house, you don't have a giant repair list/bill.) So repairs may not cost that much (though it'd be a good idea to set aside a certain amount anyway even if nothing's cropping up so that when the furnace breaks or a pipe bursts, you have the money available immediately). Cleaning/prepping for a new tenant can be expensive, though.

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3. What are the tax implications for USA taxes and also UK taxes? Our mortgage and property tax payments will likely be a few hundred dollars higher a month than the rent we are able to get for the house... at least initially for the first year or two. If the rental fees (income) and the mortgage/property tax payment and property management fees (outflows) end up to be a wash, are there other tax worries we'll have to deal with?

I rented out at a loss, but if I recall correctly, the UK tax side counts your mortgage interest payments and your property management/repair fees, but not your property taxes (because no such thing exists here as council tax is based on residence, not ownership). So if you end up in the black (accounting wise) in the UK, you may have to pay extra taxes on that, even if the US counts you as operating at a loss.

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4. Say in 10 year's time we are able to sell, what will we need to worry about in terms of capital gains tax (USA or UK)? Is there anything we should do ahead of time to minimize tax issues?

I've only just sold my house, so I'm not sure how this works. However, from what my accountant said, it works similar to the US. You only get taxed on whatever profit you make on selling the house, and I think I've read about getting credit for any taxes you'd pay to the US first.

Hope that helps. :)
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Re: Questions about renting house out in USA
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2012, 08:41:49 PM »
I can't answer all of your questions but I can say that 1) the mortgage company won't care that you've moved. Just give them your new information and make sure payments are on time. No idea how you plan to continue to pay your mortgage but it's one thing you need to consider. We're thinking we will keep our US bank account open and just pay out of that each month. The rent will go into the same account and I'm hoping rent will cover mortgage.

2) When we have rented out previous homes, the property managers have always had a set amount they want in the account. If the house needs work, it will be more, but it has never been as much as 3 months rent. I have no idea how much you are wanting to rent the house out for, but that sounds pretty high to me. I guess it all depends on 1) how much needs to be done to the house to make it rentable and 2) what are the manager's requests? If he is actually a friend he won't ask for something outrageous. Maybe call around to some other property managers and see what they ask for?

I can't answer you on the tax questions, perhaps contact a CPA who is current on foreign taxes as well as domestic?
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Re: Questions about renting house out in USA
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2012, 08:48:48 PM »
I rented my house in FL when I moved to the UK.  I let the mortgage company know of my new address and let the homeowners insurance know it was a rental property.  I didn't have any issues with the bank or insurance company. My tenants always did a direct deposit or wire transfer to my checking account.  I then pay the mortgage from my account online.

I'm in the process of selling now.  Thought I would keep it but know we won't be back there so selling as it turned out to be operating at a heavy loss each month after I moved out.


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Re: Questions about renting house out in USA
« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2012, 01:48:11 AM »
Also keep in mind that any real estate taxes will generally be higher if the property is not owner-occupied.


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Re: Questions about renting house out in USA
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2012, 02:56:21 PM »
Thanks to everyone who replied... this is all great info and sounds generally positive. Thank you.

We have a bunch of jobs to do on the house plus a couple of fairly large projects including re-doing the kitchen. Hopefully we can keep the costs under control.


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Re: Questions about renting house out in USA
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2012, 04:14:56 PM »
Thanks to everyone who replied... this is all great info and sounds generally positive. Thank you.

We have a bunch of jobs to do on the house plus a couple of fairly large projects including re-doing the kitchen. Hopefully we can keep the costs under control.

Why would you redo the Kitchen to rent? We own two rentals and unless your kitchen is a dump I would not recommend redoing it. If you are going to sell it then that's another story.

Also another poster said prop taxes are higher on rentals, not the case where we are they are the same.  Also I am not an expert but I was under the impression that income made in the US is not taxed in the UK....am I wrong about this?


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Re: Questions about renting house out in USA
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2012, 06:51:24 PM »
Why would you redo the Kitchen to rent? We own two rentals and unless your kitchen is a dump I would not recommend redoing it. If you are going to sell it then that's another story.

Also another poster said prop taxes are higher on rentals, not the case where we are they are the same.  Also I am not an expert but I was under the impression that income made in the US is not taxed in the UK....am I wrong about this?

Unfortunately our kitchen is pretty horrid. It's the same as when we moved in and really needs a refresh. It's all going to be pretty functional and basic when it's done (my DH and friends are doing it over a weekend) but will be much better than it is now. We want it to last for the 10 or so years until we sell it.


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Re: Questions about renting house out in USA
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2012, 08:14:15 PM »
Also I am not an expert but I was under the impression that income made in the US is not taxed in the UK....am I wrong about this?

According to my (UK) accountant, if you are resident in the UK (for tax purposes) you are taxed on worldwide income, not just income you make in the UK. So yes, you would be taxed in the UK.
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Re: Questions about renting house out in USA
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2012, 09:35:12 PM »
According to my (UK) accountant, if you are resident in the UK (for tax purposes) you are taxed on worldwide income, not just income you make in the UK. So yes, you would be taxed in the UK.

It isn't based on residency but on "ordinary" residency.  One can be resident but not an ordinary resident and (some) offshore income would be excluded for UK tax purposes.  If one is resident and ordinarily resident, then worldwide income is taxed.

Here is one link on the definitions.  http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/international/residence.htm


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Re: Questions about renting house out in USA
« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2012, 01:12:32 PM »
Unfortunately our kitchen is pretty horrid. It's the same as when we moved in and really needs a refresh. It's all going to be pretty functional and basic when it's done (my DH and friends are doing it over a weekend) but will be much better than it is now. We want it to last for the 10 or so years until we sell it.

Be sure to keep every receipt for every last nail and paint drop so you can deduct it and depreciate it in the future.


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