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Does non-US person spouse need to file anything?
« on: November 05, 2013, 05:14:06 PM »
I am a dual UK / US citizen trying to come into compliance.

I am married to non-US person (actually also not UK or EU, but with indefinite leave to remain in the UK and UK citizenship application pending).

I thought she should not have any obligations as she has no connection to the US system at all - has never lived or worked there.

I therefore planned to file as "married, filing separately" and just complete the return for myself.

But something I just read suggests that she needs to file a 1040NR. Is this really the case?

Is there any route I can take to file for myself without involving her at all? Actual tax efficiency doesn't really matter - as long as I can take the foreign earned income exception my income is so far below it (and non-earn income so far below even the smallest standard deduction) that I am pretty sure I would not have anything to pay.


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Re: Does non-US person spouse need to file anything?
« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2013, 07:38:37 PM »
If she does not own any US investments or have US source income there is no need for her to file.


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Re: Does non-US person spouse need to file anything?
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2013, 07:14:44 AM »
Your spouse may need an ITIN for you to file 'married filing separately'. In past times, you could just write "NRA spouse" but that has changed. An ITIN does not mean your spouse has a filing requirement; it's for your return if you claim an exemption.

Read this: http://www.irs.gov/Individuals/General-ITIN-Information for starters and then go from there.

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Re: Does non-US person spouse need to file anything?
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2013, 11:04:32 AM »
Read this: http://www.irs.gov/Individuals/General-ITIN-Information for starters and then go from there.

Thanks for the information! On that page it says that to apply for an ITIN she must submit a W7 with a return. But she will not be submitted a return so surely it is not necessary?


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Re: Does non-US person spouse need to file anything?
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2013, 06:11:48 PM »
As I understand it, it would be filed with YOUR return if you file MFS and claim a NRA spouse exemption. But - it's been a while since I filed that way (DH is now a citizen but we live in the UK), so I'm not totally up on the rules.
Married December 1992 (my 'old flame' whom I first met in the mid-70s)
1st move to UK - 1993 (Letter of Consent granted at British Embassy in Washington DC)
ILR - 1994 (1 year later - no fee way back then!)
Back to US in 2000
Returned to UK July 2011 (Spousal Visa/KOL endorsement)
ILR - September 2011
Application for naturalization submitted July 2014
Approval received 15-10-14; ceremony scheduled for 10 November!
Passport arrived 25 November 2014. Finally done!


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Re: Does non-US person spouse need to file anything?
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2013, 09:30:18 AM »
You could elect to file jointly if this saves you tax or increases a refund - for example for the American Opportunity Credit.

If you want to claim an exemption for her she will need an ITIN.


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Re: Does non-US person spouse need to file anything?
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2013, 08:12:20 PM »
My UK citizen husband applied for an ITIN earlier this year.  I posted about it then, and here's a link in case it may be of use to you: http://talk.uk-yankee.com/index.php?topic=79846.0
2011 -- Fiancée visa granted
2012 -- Moved to UK, married, applied for FLR(M)
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Re: Does non-US person spouse need to file anything?
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2013, 02:42:49 PM »
You definitely can file as married filing separately and not include her income (if any in the UK) on your return. You will need to show here name on box 3 of 1040, and write NRA (or non-resident alient) after her name. Also you must not claim her as a dependant.  You will not need to apply for an ITIN.

You probably already know that if it makes an impact to your bottom line tax (ie provide you with a lower tax), you have the option of making a claim to treat her as a US citizen for US tax purposes and therefore be able to file jointly and benefit from joint tax rates, higher standard deductions, etc....


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Re: Does non-US person spouse need to file anything?
« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2013, 02:47:38 PM »
Thanks very much - that matches what I understood.

I got the idea I didn't need to put her name from this:
http://britishexpats.com/wiki/Taxes_filing_with_the_US_IRS_in_London

but if its safer I will put her name with (NRA) after (and also put her name on the FBARs).

I understand I could get more exclusions filing jointly but I think I will have nothing to pay for the forseeable future anyway and I think she strongly prefers not to be involved in the US system at all!



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Re: Does non-US person spouse need to file anything?
« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2013, 04:02:49 PM »
To claim the NRA spouse exemption your spouse MUST have an ITIN per the Form W-7 instructions: http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/iw7.pdf

File the paperwork; you may not have sufficient income to pay US tax now, but that could change, and the sooner you have the ITIN, the better IMHO.
Married December 1992 (my 'old flame' whom I first met in the mid-70s)
1st move to UK - 1993 (Letter of Consent granted at British Embassy in Washington DC)
ILR - 1994 (1 year later - no fee way back then!)
Back to US in 2000
Returned to UK July 2011 (Spousal Visa/KOL endorsement)
ILR - September 2011
Application for naturalization submitted July 2014
Approval received 15-10-14; ceremony scheduled for 10 November!
Passport arrived 25 November 2014. Finally done!


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