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What should I put for "date started living in a foreign country"
« on: November 06, 2013, 03:05:46 PM »
Although I am a US citizen, I have lived in the UK all my life, apart from one semester at a US university in 2004.

I believe therefore that I meet the Bona Fide residence test for the years I am filing, but what should I put for "date started living in a foreign country"?

Should I put my birth date, or should I put the day I returned from the US to the UK (December 2004)? I don't consider myself to have been properly resident in the US during that time since I was there to study and had no plans to stay permanently (in the UK at least I know studying does not count as proper residence).





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Re: What should I put for "date started living in a foreign country"
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2013, 03:34:22 PM »
Did you have any contact with the IRS during that semester in 2004?

I don't think (IMHO) it really matters that much. Nine years is more than enough time to establish Bona Fide residence outside the US, which is what they're really interested in. I would suggest using the year of your birth.


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Re: What should I put for "date started living in a foreign country"
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2013, 03:39:23 PM »
Did you have any contact with the IRS during that semester in 2004?

I was employed and got a social security number but I don't remember anything directly IRS related.

Thanks for the help.


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Re: What should I put for "date started living in a foreign country"
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2013, 03:44:34 PM »
In that case, I would put 2004 just to be safe. Again, it should not have any bearing for the purposes of 2555.


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Re: What should I put for "date started living in a foreign country"
« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2013, 09:21:11 AM »
Are you filing quietly or noisily? Why did you not file in 2004 if you had US source income that year?


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Re: What should I put for "date started living in a foreign country"
« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2013, 09:31:54 AM »
Are you filing quietly or noisily? Why did you not file in 2004 if you had US source income that year?

I honestly just had no idea about it. I was there starting a PhD but I returned to the UK because I got mono so I was generally having a bad time that year. I didn't realise I would have to file as a student and assumed it worked the same way as in the UK (that any tax due would be removed from my funding at source - I was working as a TA) and that I would be below any thresholds for individual filing. I received no advice from the university.

I am now filing "noisily" I think - I plan to submit 2010-2012 under the Streamlined compliance program. I have no tax to pay for any of those years for sure (earned income is always <40% of foreign threshold, unearned income < 10% of standard deduction) so I hope I will be "low risk" although I do have bank accounts in different countries. So I am putting a cover letter explaning that I was resident in the different countries at different times (I never opened an account in a country I was not resident in at the time).

The main outstanding things I am not sure of are: how to handle my UK pension (only 4 months in 2012 but still would like to get it right), how to handle a large-ish moving allowance (I have just put it in the earned income, still safely within foreign exclusion limit), and for 2013 what to do about my 6 months of holding a UK Vanguard fund in a stocks and shares ISA (no gain).

I have to say on my second week of this now I am wondering if there is any light at the end of the tunnel! It seems unbelievable burdonsome - I don't mean the streamlined program, I appreciate I should have been filing and those earlier years would have been simple enough to file as I had no pension and no savings, but now I do it seems impossibly complicated just to do the most standard things - pensions, standard UK savings etc.

I have engaged an advisor but at some £150 an hour already 2/3 hours a month will absorb all my disposable income and it seems some of these issues (particularly the Vanguard fund for 2013) are going to take much longer.







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Re: What should I put for "date started living in a foreign country"
« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2013, 03:23:59 PM »
It is a shame that your adviser does not offer you a fixed fee as this would enable you to budget better.

The streamlined program is not risk-free because it is unclear what the IRS does with returns filed on this basis; it is not created under statute and it is not a contract because the IRS have not been writing accepting the submissions; and there is frequently no consideration. It is - for some people - the least worst option out there.


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