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Hello
« on: July 16, 2014, 03:12:53 PM »
Hi everyone. I don't really know what to say...

I am from North Carolina, USA and that's currently where I live now. I've always thought about moving to England but that seems like a daunting task at the moment. I'm planning a trip over there sometime next year. I joined this website because it seems to have a lot of information I'll need when making the decision. One of the biggest things I'm concerned about is finding a job. I don't want to move without one...

That's about it I suppose.


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Re: Hello
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2014, 03:22:33 PM »
Welcome to the forum, and good luck with your plans to move to the UK :).

I'm sure you'll have a lovely trip next year.

Have you thought about what visa you might be able to qualify for in order to be legally allowed to move to the UK?

Unless you have claim to UK/EU citizenship, or you are married to a UK citizen, you only really have 2 options for a visa:

- Sponsored work visa - for which you MUST find a company to sponsor you and secure a definite job before you can even apply for a visa to move. This can be very difficult unless you work in a shortage/in demand or highly skilled profession as UK and EU citizens get priority for jobs.

- Student visa - you would need to come to the UK to study for a degree. A student visa can be relatively easy to qualify for, but you need a high level of funds available to you to get the visa - approximately $25,000 just for the first year (about $15,000 in international student tuition and about $10,000 in living costs).


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Re: Hello
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2014, 03:45:34 PM »
ksand24,

I've looked into what type of visa I could get. I don't think I have claim to UK/EU citizenship (I think that my ancestors are from England..that counts right? :) ) and I'm not married to anyone...I don't even know anybody from the UK. I could get a company to sponsor me if I start applying for positions in the UK. I've heard it's extremely difficult because the company has to prove there is nobody in the EU that can do the job.

I could get a student visa. I have a bachelor's degree from a U.S. University. I'm in a precarious position because I have a bachelor's degree in one industry but have thought about changing to another. I guess I could get a degree in the UK in the industry I want...

There's a lot to think about! I wish they allowed job searches when you're visiting. I could come over and search for a job then.


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Re: Hello
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2014, 04:08:38 PM »
I've looked into what type of visa I could get. I don't think I have claim to UK/EU citizenship (I think that my ancestors are from England..that counts right? :) ) and I'm not married to anyone...I don't even know anybody from the UK.

Unfortunately, your ancestors being from England won't count or help at all. The only thing that would help would be if either of your parents was British by birth and was able to pass their UK citizenship down to you, or if you were a commonwealth citizen (i.e. Canadian) and your grandparent(s) were British.

Alternatively, if either of your parents (or possibly grandparents) were from a different EU country, you might be able to qualify for citizenship of that country.

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I could get a company to sponsor me if I start applying for positions in the UK. I've heard it's extremely difficult because the company has to prove there is nobody in the EU that can do the job.

Yes, it can be very difficult - it depends what industry you work in and whether or not that job is considered 'in shortage'.

If the job is on this shortage occupation list, then you can get a visa without them having to prove that no one else in the EU can do the job: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/308513/shortageoccupationlistapril14.pdf

However, if the job is not listed on there, and generally it's mainly high-level jobs that are (one that require many years of experience), then you have to pass the 'Resident Labour Market test' where the company has to advertise the job across the UK and EU for a certain amount of time and can only hire you if they cannot find anyone else who can do the job.

Alternatively, another option might be to get a Tier 2 Intra-Company Transfer visa to the UK branch of your US company, but your job has to be at a certain level and meet certain criteria in order for you to qualify.

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I could get a student visa. I have a bachelor's degree from a U.S. University. I'm in a precarious position because I have a bachelor's degree in one industry but have thought about changing to another. I guess I could get a degree in the UK in the industry I want...


You could do, although you would need to decide if it's worth the possible extra cost and whether the courses that are available are suited to you. It will usually only take 3 years for a UK bachelors degree, or 1 year for a masters (if you were able to get a masters in a field close to what you want to do, rather than start a whole new bachelors), so it's a bit shorter than in the US.

Also, if you have a degree from a UK university, and you switch to a Tier 2 work visa while still in the UK on a student visa, you will be exempt from the Resident Labour Market test and so it would be easier to get work sponsorship than without a UK degree.

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There's a lot to think about! I wish they allowed job searches when you're visiting. I could come over and search for a job then.

They do allow job searches as a visitor - you can look for jobs and you can interview for jobs as a visitor, but you CANNOT start working for a company until you have returned to the US and been granted a work visa.

But you do have to be careful about this because if you show up at the UK border with your resume/CV and qualifications, UK immigration may suspect you of trying to live and work in the UK illegally.

So, the better thing to do first would be to look for UK jobs online from the US, contact the companies, apply for positions, maybe set up Skype/phone interviews, and then perhaps make a short visit to actually meet/interview in person... so you can show clear plans of just coming to the UK to interview and not that you look like you might try to work illegally.


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Re: Hello
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2014, 04:48:26 PM »
ksand24,

Thank you so much for this information! You are very nice.

I think it'll be difficult to get sponsored unless I have a company that has branches in the UK.

I'm glad to hear if I visit, I can still apply for jobs. If I do visit and find a job and come back to the US before I start working, does the company still have to sponsor me?

I have currently have a bachelor's degree in communications with a focus on journalism but I have been looking into becoming a police officer (I know, two very different industries) because I want to become a homicide detective (My local police department says I have to be a police officer for a year before I can become a detective). I've researched UK police departments and one of the requirements is I have to live in the UK for 3 years. So, if I get a job first and then come over for 3 years, I could apply to a police department after that...just thinking out loud.

Thank you for all of your information. I was joking by the way about my ancestors counting as citizenship...it's hard to convey tone over the internet haha.


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Re: Hello
« Reply #5 on: July 16, 2014, 05:15:57 PM »
If you visit and find a job, you must go back to the US to apply for your visa. There is no provision for applying in-country unless you're already there on another visa and that visa allows switching -- tourist visas do not.



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Re: Hello
« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2014, 05:18:03 PM »
I'm glad to hear if I visit, I can still apply for jobs. If I do visit and find a job and come back to the US before I start working, does the company still have to sponsor me?

Yes, the only way that you can get a job without sponsorship is if you are either a UK/EU citizen or you are already living in the UK on a different visa that allows you to work... for example, if you are married to a UK citizen and have a spousal visa, or also if you have a student visa (which allows a maximum of 20 hours per week of working).

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I've researched UK police departments and one of the requirements is I have to live in the UK for 3 years. So, if I get a job first and then come over for 3 years, I could apply to a police department after that...just thinking out loud.

It won't be that simple, I'm afraid. I've just checked the requirements and in order to work for the UK police, you would need to hold permanent residence in the UK (ILR - Indefinite Leave to Remain).

In order to qualify for permanent residence (ILR), you would need to have lived in the UK continuously for 5 years on a Tier 2 General sponsored work visa and you would need to be earning a minimum of £35,000 per year in order to qualify (which is a pretty high salary in the UK - the national average wage is around £25,000). Plus you cannot have been outside the UK for more than 180 days in any 12 months of the 5 years.

You cannot ever qualify for ILR on the following visas:

- Tier 2 Intra Company Transfer visa.

-  Tier 4 Student visa.

If you switch to a Tier 2 General work visa from one of these visas, then the time spent on those visas does NOT count towards the 5 years for ILR, so you would have to spend ANOTHER 5 years on that work visa first before being able to get ILR and apply for the police force.

See here: http://www.policecouldyou.co.uk/documents/Circular%20-%20Eligibility%20Criteria%20for%20Role%20of%20Police%20Constable.pdf

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2. Candidates for appointment to a police force who are not a member of the EEA are required to have leave to enter or leave to remain in the United Kingdom for an indefinite period. Such applicants must reside in the United Kingdom free of restrictions or have an entitlement to do so.

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I was joking by the way about my ancestors counting as citizenship...it's hard to convey tone over the internet haha.

Lol - sorry... just covering all bases, as some people do have grandparents or great-grandparents who were born in the UK and they do ask whether that will help them gain UK citizenship.


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Re: Hello
« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2014, 05:36:52 PM »
Oh wow. They make it very difficult.

So there is still hope! A little, but it's there! I'd have to get a Tier 2 Visa, live in the UK for 5 years in order to qualify for an ILR while making £35,000 per year. Correct, do I have all of that right?


Seems like the only way to be able to live in the UK and be a detective is to get married and I don't really want to or agree with getting married just for citizenship and not for love. Plus I'm pretty sure that's illegal.

You two are a bunch of help! I had researched joining the police in the UK but I don't remember ever seeing the ILR part...either that or I saw it and just didn't understand what it meant. Thank you so much.


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Re: Hello
« Reply #8 on: July 16, 2014, 05:52:56 PM »
So there is still hope! A little, but it's there! I'd have to get a Tier 2 Visa, live in the UK for 5 years in order to qualify for an ILR while making £35,000 per year. Correct, do I have all of that right?

Yes, that's pretty much it... unless they change the requirements in the next few years.

Basically, the UK government has been and still is going through a major crackdown on immigration, and are trying to reduce the number of people coming here, and so are making it very difficult for people to qualify for visas for the UK.

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Seems like the only way to be able to live in the UK and be a detective is to get married and I don't really want to or agree with getting married just for citizenship and not for love. Plus I'm pretty sure that's illegal.

Yeah, that's not a good idea :P. For one, in order to get a spousal visa, you have to prove that it is a genuine relationship and that you are not just trying to get a visa, as they are specifically targeting forced and sham marriages in applications.

Also, even if you were married, you still couldn't work for the police force for 5 years...as you have to spend 5 years on spousal visas before you can qualify for ILR (and you can't apply for citizenship until after you have ILR anyway).

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I had researched joining the police in the UK but I don't remember ever seeing the ILR part...either that or I saw it and just didn't understand what it meant. Thank you so much.

Yeah, it could be either :P. It's probably one of those things that's not advertised explicitly because they don't get many applicants who don't have ILR or UK citizenship. It seems there used to be a law stating that you could not work for the police force unless you were born in the UK.

Same goes for some other jobs too, especially ones involving government work - you usually either need to be a UK citizen or have ILR in the UK in order to apply.


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Re: Hello
« Reply #9 on: July 16, 2014, 06:10:31 PM »
Thank you so much! I guess I'll have to go the getting a job route and hope I get sponsorship. I should probably get on that considering I'm not getting any younger!  :P


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