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Re: Specialits through NHS?
« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2015, 08:59:13 PM »
...a super-long mascara wand.

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Re: Specialits through NHS?
« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2015, 12:13:11 AM »
Also...you've seriously never been to a nurse practitioner?  They have advanced degrees and training, and routinely carry out things like pap smears.  I guess maybe they're more common in small town/rural clinics, or campus health centers, but honestly, it doesn't take a board-certified OB/GYN to wield what is, essentially, a super-long mascara wand.

No. Over here, gynecological exams are done by actual gynecologists. And its not just to get a pap smear. Its a yearly exam that includes a cervical exam, an external abdomen exam to detect abnormalities in the uterus, and a manual breast exam. I just asked a friend over there and she's never even heard of the latter 2 being done in the UK. (Had no idea whatsoever what I was talking about with the abdominal exam and the only breast exam she ever had was when she was living in Spain for a year.)
And what I am mostly worried about is being brushed off....because I already was by a GP there. I had a chronic issue that had been flaring up since I was 16 and it got bad while I was over there visiting my now husband. So I went to their GP...the man asked minimal questions only regarding to my current lifestyle, nothing about my history, and at the end he stated that apparently this malfunction is "just how your body is and you just have to deal with it. you can take such and such medication from time to time to help relieve the issue, but that's it." That's it? That's it?!!! Well guess what - I brought the issue up to a doctor I had never seen before here in the states and she thought of several things that could be causing my issue. And her first thought was actually correct - my body is not especially fond of gluten. I cut it out of my diet and stopped having my problem. I felt so dismissed in that doctor's office that I wanted to cry. And the man I saw was the most sought after doctor at that practice! My now in-laws were adamant that I not be seen by anyone else because he was "so good." THAT'S what I'm afraid of. That if I do actually have a problem that doesn't seem life-threatening at that moment, that I will be utterly dismissed. Doctor's are supposed to help improve quality of life as well as save lives. Also - my doctor's and nurses call me back within a day if I call for a minor issue. My doctor even gave me a consultation over the phone when I needed to be seen about what I thought could be an ulcer but could not get an appointment for 3 weeks. And she did 2 follow ups on the phone with me until I could get in to see her for an actual appointment last week. I know doctor's have a ton of people to take care of, but I absolutely HATED feeling like an unwanted annoyance to be turned out as quickly as possible.
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Re: Specialits through NHS?
« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2015, 09:32:00 AM »
It sounds like you will need to see doctors privately. See if your husband has private medical coverage through his employer.


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« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2015, 12:57:29 PM »
Has anyone had any experience with homeopathy?  Seems like a homeopath would take more time reviewing all your various symptoms.  Just wondered.
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Re: Specialits through NHS?
« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2015, 03:23:09 PM »
You're just not going to be pampered like you are in the states. I don't mean to be cruel, but most things in the UK are like this, a little more bare bones, and it can take some getting used to.
Most people (like, literally most people in the world) do not recieve the high (maybe excessive) level of healthcare that you currently receive. Try and think of it as just going down from super-amazing care to pretty good care, and rest assured that if found seriously ill, you'll be equally as likely to survive.
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Re: Specialits through NHS?
« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2015, 04:25:35 PM »
No. Over here, gynecological exams are done by actual gynecologists. And its not just to get a pap smear. Its a yearly exam that includes a cervical exam, an external abdomen exam to detect abnormalities in the uterus, and a manual breast exam.

Yeah, I know what it is.  And I was talking about the U.S..  Like I said, fair enough if it's not been a thing where you are.  I think some states have different licensing procedures for nurse practitioners.  But I can tell you that in WI, MI & NH, I had annual exams-- the whole shebang-- done by nurse practitioners. 

As for the UK, no, they don't routinely do manual exams.  It's pretty much just the smear test.  As others have said, if you're really worried about that, your options are:

a) explain your medical history & concerns to your GP/practice nurse-- i.e. close family history of cancers, previous sketchy test results, or other problems that required a manual exam to diagnose/monitor (endometriosis, etc.)-- and ask for what you want.  If your reasoning is sound, the GP should either carry out the exams him/herself, or will refer you to a specialist (maybe a gyno, maybe a nurse midwife?).  But you'll still get your pap smear from the GP/practice nurse, because it's part of a routine screening program, and they're the ones responsible.

b) go to a private clinic...where you'll probably *still* have to repeat the above, because they're just not in the habit of poking around in there for no particular reason.

I'm sorry you had a bad experience with the one GP you saw, as a visitor.  He had no real background on your condition, and frankly, as you were just passing through, and weren't actually his patient, there was no reason for him to spend a lot of time and resources on lengthy investigation and follow-up.  The care you received was the same you'd have gotten in an urgent care/walk-in clinic in the U.S.-- they'll make sure it's not an emergency, and try to give you whatever immediate relief they can, and they may even toss out a few possible diagnoses for you to follow-up with your PCP, but they're not there to manage chronic conditions.  It's just not their job.

If you were a regular patient, seeing him with the same symptoms for the third time, you'd probably have gotten a very different response.  Then again, maybe not; my grandma saw (American) doctors (including specialists!) for 40 years before they finally diagnosed her with celiac.  Gluten & other food intolerance is a thing that isn't fully understood, and plenty of doctors in the U.S. wouldn't have a clue, either.

Whether you see NHS doctors, or private doctors, you will have to be your own advocate.  'Test all the things and see what happens' is just not they way it's done here. 

Mostly, though, I think you need to relax.  Moving to a new country is scary, and it's understandable that you might be trying to channel your anxieties into something specific.  But you're not doing yourself any good by blowing this out of proportion. 


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Re: Specialits through NHS?
« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2015, 10:00:59 AM »
Try and think of it as just going down from super-amazing care to pretty good care, and rest assured that if found seriously ill, you'll be equally as likely to survive.

And you won't go in to debt on the NHS.  ;)

Whether you're working or not, you're covered and it's free.

Can't say the same about the US healthcare system.

My SIL (in the US) had to go back to work full-time just 3 months after giving birth because that's all the maternity leave she got (she also used her holidays). While she'd love to be a stay-at-home mom, that job fell to my brother since her job offered health insurance (which covered her otherwise very expensive prescriptions) and his did not. In the UK, her prescription would be a lot cheaper - she'd have the financial freedom to stay home with their little one and my brother could have stayed at his higher-paying job even though it doesn't offer health benefits. :-\\\\
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Re: Specialits through NHS?
« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2015, 03:03:27 PM »
Sorry that you had such an unpleasant experience with the GP that you saw.  Sounds like you'll have to do a bit of trial-and-error once you get here.  Find a GP that you like.  That will make all the difference, just as it would in the US. 
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Re: Specialits through NHS?
« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2015, 10:53:26 AM »
Almost half of cancer patients diagnosed too late

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/sep/22/cancer-late-diagnosis-half-patients#comments

This is sort of what I mean. This comment says it nicely:

"Yes, as well when (many) patients are pre-diagnosis and can sense something is off (in their bodies), their doctors assure them their symptoms are not symptoms of anything. Just: stress, exhaustion, something that will go away, etc."

I just think a little investigation up front, including perhaps seeing a specialist trained to spot important stuff, would save an awful lot of expensive cancer treatment/missed work/painful early death/etc.

This 10 minute, one item at a time thing, leads to the ignoring of broader things that might be pointing to something serious.
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Re: Specialits through NHS?
« Reply #24 on: February 04, 2015, 04:22:28 PM »
Right.  The GPs either have the attitude that it's nothing to worry about or else they have instilled the attitude in you that "oh, it's probably nothing -- I won't bother"

The NHS is ace for things like kidney transplants but not so good at screening for cancer and other stuff.
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Re: Specialits through NHS?
« Reply #25 on: February 04, 2015, 05:37:39 PM »
I would guess that there is a cost/benefit table somewhere relating to screening and such. I don't know.

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Re: Specialits through NHS?
« Reply #26 on: February 05, 2015, 07:54:51 AM »
Howsomever, I note in an article on AARP Bulletin "10 Medical Tests to Avoid" that current thinking is that yearly physicals are not really beneficial.  It also says that yearly Pap tests are not necessary -- every three years is fine.  But then they admonish that yearly ob-gyn appointments should be kept up.

http://www.aarp.org/health/conditions-treatments/info-2014/choosing-wisely-medical-tests-to-avoid
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Re: Specialits through NHS?
« Reply #27 on: February 05, 2015, 09:21:17 AM »
Howsomever, I note in an article on AARP Bulletin "10 Medical Tests to Avoid" that current thinking is that yearly physicals are not really beneficial.  It also says that yearly Pap tests are not necessary -- every three years is fine.  But then they admonish that yearly ob-gyn appointments should be kept up.

http://www.aarp.org/health/conditions-treatments/info-2014/choosing-wisely-medical-tests-to-avoid

From the article:

"an estimated 75 percent of tests that show high PSA levels turn out to be false alarms."

Well what kind of test is that? Flipping a coin would yield better results.

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