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Calais Chaos - a bit of perspective please
« on: July 25, 2015, 10:17:46 AM »
Forty migrants!!!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3173971/The-migrant-express-Stowaways-leap-aboard-UK-bound-freight-trains-sneak-Channel-Tunnel-amid-Calais-chaos.html

Meanwhile, Germany has taken in 179,000 in 2015 alone. And while most seem to be repatriated, they are at least given some stab at due process.

http://www.dw.com/en/interior-minister-refugees-not-overburdening-germany/a-18593540

Refugees/migrants are not singling out the UK.
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Re: Calais Chaos - a bit of perspective please
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2015, 08:41:35 AM »
"Germany is uniquely shackled by its awful past. Britain is not shackled in the same way."

Is there any reason to use the word 'shackle' so much here? Wouldn't 'constrained' have worked? Just a nitpick.

But I think this is key:

"...attempts to stage rallies elsewhere in Germany have been outnumbered by far bigger counter-demonstrations."

Cook sort of qualifies this with:

"Naturally, with church and state and big business united in opposition, respectable people will be deterred from attending Pegida’s demonstrations."

Perhaps. I think a better argument would be that demonstrations in general don't really show the true level of support. People don't turn up for a number of reasons (work, childcare.....).

But I would like to think, and I see no reason to doubt their stated motives, that the counter-demonstrators are showing up because they despise racism and bigotry....not because they were somehow cajoled by state/church/business forces. It seems like a more likely explanation.

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Re: Calais Chaos - a bit of perspective please
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2015, 01:38:10 PM »
I wouldn't worry much about the word "shackled"....it's just a word. Kind of like Cameron getting zapped for saying "swarm". Both words work just fine. Could there be a more politically correct word to use? Probably.....but I'm one of those people who is getting tired of having to be politically correct, people need to stop looking for reasons to be insulted.

Even though the UK has a much smaller emigrant intake than Germany, I would tend to think that it is a lot easier to get into Germany than the UK. If the channel wasn't there who knows what difference that would make. While I was living in Germany (1989-1999) there were plenty of people who didn't like the East Germans coming into the West......kind of love it/hate it subject.

Whether we like it or not, people in general don't like "other" people coming/immigrating into their country. They don't mind them visiting, but when it comes to actually moving to that country and changing the character of that country.....people start twitching hard......even if it's a good thing. People don't like change.
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