Individual Citizens May Be Able To Stay In EU After Brexit

Please let this happen, even if it doesn't benefit me it's still a huge poke in the eye to Brexiteers

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-citizenship-freedom-of-movement-passport-how-to-keep-parliament-live-move-abroad-a7405196.html?cmpid=facebook-post

Be sure to read the responses from the Brexiteers- it's discrimination against those who don't choose to take it!

it doesn't benefit me 

Now that you have discovered you were stamped in with ILR when you entered the UK years ago with your French wife, have you looked into it yet, to see whether this ILR was allowed for an non-EEA citizen?  You still haven't said if you worked in another EEA country before coming to the UK.

As I told you before, I knew some EEA citizens might have been stamped in with ILR before Free Movement and that is why I said to check your passport, but I am not sure if this was allowed for their non-EEA citizen spouse.

There is an UKBA officer (?) over on this board who might know how you stand as he was the person who said about these ILRs. You could ask him if this applied to non-EEA citizens too and perhaps mention if you worked in another EEA country before entering the UK, as that might be relevant.
http://www.immigrationboards.com/eea-route-applications/

If it were me, I would sort this out before a Brexit. I don't think there will be many who think that any chance to stay in the UK after a Brexit, will be under such generous terms as they are under EU laws.

Thanks Sirius, all that you mentioned is on my to-do list, along with getting that card.   I really do appreciate the advice but I think I'll sort it out when my current work contract ends.

Be sure to read the responses from the Brexiteers- it's discrimination against those who don't choose to take it!

Why would they possibly care?

It seems to me this could work the same as any citizenship.

A UK citizen applies for and gets US citizenship and that is not recognized by the UK - hence dual-citizenship.

Now the EU offers the same thing. If you qualify, apply for special EU citizenship and it's not recognized by the UK - again dual-citizenship.

It's nobody else's business if I apply for citizenship from another country, as long as I meet the rules set out by that country. So it follows it wouldn't be anyone else's business if I applied for EU citizenship.

So it follows it wouldn't be anyone else's business if I applied for EU citizenship.

Can't fault you.

It seems to me this could work the same as any citizenship.

A UK citizen applies for and gets US citizenship and that is not recognized by the UK - hence dual-citizenship.

Now the EU offers the same thing. If you qualify, apply for special EU citizenship and it's not recognized by the UK - again dual-citizenship.

It's nobody else's business if I apply for citizenship from another country, as long as I meet the rules set out by that country. So it follows it wouldn't be anyone else's business if I applied for EU citizenship.

And the EU wins because the best and brightest will want to move to Europe to work after the clocks start to turn back here. 

I'd pay a hefty one off fee or even an income tax if I could get one.

Thanks Sirius, all that you mentioned is on my to-do list, along with getting that card.   I really do appreciate the advice but I think I'll sort it out when my current work contract ends.

You will still have a right to work in the UK, either on ILR or the PR you would have automatically got by your wife exercising treaty rights for 5 continuous years i.e. working, retained worker rights while she had your children, etc.

But PR is EU laws which will end on a Brexit. For every article saying they will all stay, there is another saying they wiil not. The truth is nobody knows yet what will be offered if there is a Brexit and EU laws in the UK end.

Just a few lines on that other forum will let you know if your ILR is good to go, or if not, your options. I think your EEA citizen wife is ok with her ILR, from what they have said. I don't understand how your ILR stamp on entry, works and it seems not many got stamped in as ILR, even during that time when you entered. Plus various EU laws have come in since and only apply from those dates and I don't know them all - but they seem to know them on that forum. 

Your PR or your ILR will allow you to continue to work in the UK and have free use of the NHS as a Brit can who resides in the UK, even if your wife stops working.

And the EU wins because the best and brightest will want to move to Europe to work after the clocks start to turn back here. 

The "best and brightest" always could get a visa to almost any country in the world. Free movement was for those that aren't.

Not being able to use the UK to supply low and medium skilled jobs, education, heathcare, welfare and other services to EEA citizens and their Family Members, is not a win for EEA countries that rely on the UK to provide this as they always have high unemployment, ie France, Italy, Spain and now the newer EU members from eastern europe, ie Poland , Romania etc.

The last UK census showed that the Polish and French were in the top 10 list of immgirant numbers. When only those on UK visas could live in the UK, these countries didn't feature in the top 10 ten list of immigrants. The UK stats only record immigrants by their citizenship and not whether they entered the UK on a UK visa or via EU laws/Eurpoean Court rulings.

This is why France (the 3rd biggest giver to the EU budget last year) broke EU ranks straight after the Leave vote and said they want to trade with the UK as they also export a lot to the UK too.

Whereas Poland (the biggest taker of the EU budget last year to the tune of 10 billion) tried a dfifferent tack, or rather their ex PM Tusk did via threats. Acccording to the Polish press, he was in a lot of trouble in his home country as they blamed him for Brexit. Poland also rely on the UK (the second biggest payer into the EU budget in 2015 and the biggest payer per capita - and the biggest contributer for loans to EEA countires)  for protection too from other EU countries for others things, such as protection for their own currency.

But then we also have the bizarre letter to the EU from Poland and 3 other Eastern European countries, saying that they don't want migants in their county - but they want their citizens to be migrants in other EEA countries Although we already have another EEA country capping numbers of those wanting to use free movement to their country.

Then look at how quickly Germany and France have turned on Ireland after the UK's Leave vote, to end Ireleand's low rate of corporatiuon tax to get jobs to Ireland. Ireland had already published that they thought that might happen if the UK was no longer there to protect them. Ireland campaigned so hard with the EU to change to stop the UK leaving and then asked all the Irish living in the UK to vote to stay.


Free movement? With or without the UK, I can't see it staying the same as it is now.