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Questions about my wife's FLR(M) visa application
« on: October 11, 2020, 12:31:38 PM »
Hi there,

We're in the process of putting together my wife's FLR(M) visa application. Her current visa expires on 26th December 2020, so we're keen to submit the application for FLR within the next couple of weeks.

Thanks to all of the fantastic advice and support on these forums we've been able to get together most of the things that we require for the application, but we have a few questions that we'd appreciate help with clarifying:

Accommodation

- Is our current tenancy agreement suitable as "Evidence of monthly housing costs for the accommodation in the UK where you live or will live", or do we need to provide something else e.g. highlighted payments on our bank statements?
- Do we only need to provide the tenancy agreement for the house we're currently renting?
- I have the tenancy agreement for the house we're currently renting as a PDF which has been digitally signed by my wife, myself and the landlord via OpenRent - is this acceptable as an "original" document, or does it not matter?

Proof of Relationship

We have collected together the following items of correspondence covering the 2 year period of October 2018 - October 2020:

- 4 letters addressed to my wife and I jointly (2 sources)
- 6 letters addressed to my wife and I individually (3 each, 5 sources)

We have a limited amount of correspondence by mail, but we've tried to pick items spread evenly across the 2 years. Does this correspondence look good enough to meet the requirements?

- October 2nd 2018 - Hammersmith & Fulham council tax bill (Joint)
- March 1st 2019 - Hammersmith & Fulham council tax bill (Joint)
- July 28th 2019 - Nationwide Building Society letter (Sponsor)
- August 22nd 2019 - Key Portfolio end of employment letter (Applicant)
- October 28th 2019 - Waltham Forest Council Tax Bill (Joint)
- February 29th 2020 - Waltham Forest Council Tax Bill (Joint)
- July 3rd 2020 - Aviva pension letter (Applicant)
- July 8th 2020 - Santander Consumer Finance letter (Sponsor)
- August 19th 2020 - Santander Consumer Finance letter (Sponsor)
- September 8th 2020 - Dentist payment receipt letter (Applicant)

General

- Does the copy of my passport need to be certified or can it simply be scans of every page of my passport?
- Should my wife and I both provide separate cover letters with the application? We did for my wife's original application.
- I'm unclear what the current process is around providing supporting documents and biometrics after the application has been submitted online. I've seen various mentions of a new UKVCAS app on these forums, as well as of using the UKVCAS website. Do we upload supporting documents online instead of posting them? If so, is that likely to be via the app - which I understand is invitation only - or via the website?
- I've been reading on these forums about the massive backlog of applications that UKVI are processing. If a new visa hasn't been issued by the date on which my wife's current visa expires, what's the situation then? Is there anything that we will need to do?

Thanks,

Simon


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Re: Questions about my wife's FLR(M) visa application
« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2020, 01:25:43 PM »
Accommodation

- Is our current tenancy agreement suitable as "Evidence of monthly housing costs for the accommodation in the UK where you live or will live", or do we need to provide something else e.g. highlighted payments on our bank statements?
- Do we only need to provide the tenancy agreement for the house we're currently renting?
- I have the tenancy agreement for the house we're currently renting as a PDF which has been digitally signed by my wife, myself and the landlord via OpenRent - is this acceptable as an "original" document, or does it not matter?

For the accommodation requirement, you need:
- tenancy agreement for current property only... digitally signed is okay
- latest council tax bill for current property

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Proof of Relationship

- October 2nd 2018 - Hammersmith & Fulham council tax bill (Joint)
- March 1st 2019 - Hammersmith & Fulham council tax bill (Joint)
- July 28th 2019 - Nationwide Building Society letter (Sponsor)
- August 22nd 2019 - Key Portfolio end of employment letter (Applicant)
- October 28th 2019 - Waltham Forest Council Tax Bill (Joint)
- February 29th 2020 - Waltham Forest Council Tax Bill (Joint)
- July 3rd 2020 - Aviva pension letter (Applicant)
- July 8th 2020 - Santander Consumer Finance letter (Sponsor)
- August 19th 2020 - Santander Consumer Finance letter (Sponsor)
- September 8th 2020 - Dentist payment receipt letter (Applicant)

Okay, the documents need to be spaced every 4 months, and if they are separately addressed, they must be from the same month, ideally dated within a few days of each other. You also need at least 3 sources total

So, from the documents you have listed, you can use the following:

October 2018
1. Joint October 2nd 2018 - Hammersmith & Fulham council tax bill (Source 1)

February 2019
2. Applicant: ?
2. Sponsor: ?


June 2019
3. Applicant: ?
3. Sponsor: ?


October 2019
4.Joint: October 28th 2019 - Waltham Forest Council Tax Bill

February 2020
5. Joint: February 29th 2020 - Waltham Forest Council Tax Bill

June 2020 - you might be able to get away with using the early July documents here
6. Applicant: July 3rd 2020 - Aviva pension letter (Source 2)
6. Sponsor: July 8th 2020 - Santander Consumer Finance letter (Source 3)

October 2020
7. Applicant: ?
7. Sponsor: ?


Do you have monthly mailed bank statements you can use for the months that are missing? What about utility bills (gas, electric, water etc.)? And you can also use things like letters from the NHS, HMRC and DVLA

If you cannot provide enough documents from the correct months, you will need to write a letter of explanation for why not.

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General

- Does the copy of my passport need to be certified or can it simply be scans of every page of my passport?
- Should my wife and I both provide separate cover letters with the application? We did for my wife's original application.
- I'm unclear what the current process is around providing supporting documents and biometrics after the application has been submitted online. I've seen various mentions of a new UKVCAS app on these forums, as well as of using the UKVCAS website. Do we upload supporting documents online instead of posting them? If so, is that likely to be via the app - which I understand is invitation only - or via the website?
- I've been reading on these forums about the massive backlog of applications that UKVI are processing. If a new visa hasn't been issued by the date on which my wife's current visa expires, what's the situation then? Is there anything that we will need to do?

1. You just need to scan every single page of both the applicant's passport, the sponsor's passport and any previous passports the applicant has held since arriving in the UK

2. No cover letters are needed at all... except if you have to explain anything complicated about the application, such as why you do not have enough evenly-spaced documents for the cohabitation requirement

3. All documents are submitted online now. Nothing is mailed. Once you have applied online, you register with the UKVCAS website. You then book a biometrics appointment on the UKVCAS website (which you may have to pay £110 for if there are no free appointments), and scan and upload all your documents to the UKVCAS website... or you can pay extra when you book biometrics and have them scan the documents for you at the appointment. Once you have attended the appointment, you wait for the visa to be granted and the new BRP to be mailed to you.  The app is no longer used for newly submitted applications, so you don't have to worry about that. See here for more information: https://www.ukvcas.co.uk/flash-message-detail?flashmessageId=74833

4. You don't need to do anything. As long as the online application has been submitted before the expiry date of her current visa, your wife's immigration status and right to work will be automatically extended under Section 3C Leave while the visa is processing. So, all you need to do is make sure that you submit the online application by 26th December at the very latest.


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Re: Questions about my wife's FLR(M) visa application
« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2020, 09:07:38 PM »
Thank you so much for your advice @ksand24, we really appreciate it.

Regarding the items of correspondence:

We knew that we would need to provide correspondence covering a 2 year period, but we were unaware of the "evenly spaced" requirement until we started putting together the correspondence last week.

February 2019

Is the Hammersmith & Fulham council tax bill  on March 1st 2019 (Joint) not close enough for this?

The only other correspondence we have near February 2019 is a letter for the applicant from the NHS on 9th January 2019, but we don't have any correspondence addressed to the sponsor around this time.

June 2019

Fortunately I've found a letter to the applicant from the Disclosure & Barring Service on 15th June 2019. I've also found a letter to the sponsor (myself) from Nationwide Building Society, but the date just says "June 2019" - is that good enough?

October 2020

We don't have any correspondence for this month. As this is the month that we are currently in, I'm looking into whether there are any letters or bills that we can request.


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Re: Questions about my wife's FLR(M) visa application
« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2020, 09:20:09 PM »
i]February 2019[/i]

Is the Hammersmith & Fulham council tax bill  on March 1st 2019 (Joint) not close enough for this?

Unfortunately not, because your October 2018 statement is dated October 2nd... which means you would then have a 5-month gap between October 2018 and March 2019 and not the required 4-month gap.

Unless you have anything from the end of October 2018 you can use for that month instead? Meaning that end Oct to early Mar would only be a couple of days more than 4 months.

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The only other correspondence we have near February 2019 is a letter for the applicant from the NHS on 9th January 2019, but we don't have any correspondence addressed to the sponsor around this time.

Unfortunately, this would only be a 3-month gap since October 2nd, so again, it wouldn't be suitable.

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June 2019

Fortunately I've found a letter to the applicant from the Disclosure & Barring Service on 15th June 2019. I've also found a letter to the sponsor (myself) from Nationwide Building Society, but the date just says "June 2019" - is that good enough?

Yes, that's fine :).

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October 2020

We don't have any correspondence for this month. As this is the month that we are currently in, I'm looking into whether there are any letters or bills that we can request.

It's not an absolute requirement to provide anything from the month you are applying in, as that one is an extra document, so if you don't have anything, it's not a massive issue. Alternatively, if you have any mail from the end of September, you can use that instead.

I would try your best to get documents from each of the required months: Feb, June and Oct of each year, but if you can't provide them all, it's not the end of the world. You just need to write an explanation for why you have not been able to provide them all.

We always advise that as soon as the visa applicant arrives in the UK, you do the following:
- change all your mail to paperless, so that everything is delivered to your house in the post
- add the applicant to as many bills as possible (electricity, gas, water, phone, internet, council tax etc.)
- save ALL your mail every single month

That way, by the time it comes to your FLR(M) and ILR applications, you will have tons and tons of mail to choose from, ideally from every single month of the 30 months, and so it's just a case of picking and choosing which document(s) you want to use for each month... which also gives you flexibility for which set of months you can use.

The easiest documents to get monthly in the mail are bank statements, so if you don't currently receive monthly statements in the mail, I would change that ASAP so that going forward for ILR in 2.5 years, you will have mail delivered every single month.

For future planning:
For ILR, you need to cover the whole 2.5 years of the FLR(M) visa, so that means providing 1 document in each name, spaced every 5 months, from 3 different sources.


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Re: Questions about my wife's FLR(M) visa application
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2020, 05:36:23 PM »
Thanks again, @ksand24, that's all really helpful. We'll definitely be switching as many things as we can over to paper correspondence in preparation for the ILR application!


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