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The British way.
« on: April 21, 2005, 03:01:59 PM »
Seems strange posting in this section as my own kids are grown up and moved on long ago.My problem is this,we look after a 6 year old who cannot stand to lose at games,any games.I don't just mean he doesn't like to lose,he gets really upset to the point where I don't even want to play with him in case I win.
I've tried everything I can think of,including telling him that we Brits nearly always lose and he had better get used to it,but he's half French,and I think its his French half that needs to win all the time.Any ideas?

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Re: The British way.
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2005, 03:17:31 PM »
our 8 year old is the same, while playing monoply she told her sister 'its only a game stop whinning' 8yr old went on to loose and threw a right paddy....... only thing we could do was try to keep the laughing down as much as possible,which ended up with her laughing bout herself!!!


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Re: The British way.
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2005, 05:18:39 PM »
our 8 year old is the same, while playing monoply she told her sister 'its only a game stop whinning' 8yr old went on to loose and threw a right paddy....... only thing we could do was try to keep the laughing down as much as possible,which ended up with her laughing bout herself!!!

Sounds like the other one we look after,a 2 year old girl,she's the one who has paddy's,what a temper.

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Re: The British way.
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2005, 11:10:38 AM »
Threw a right paddy?  What is that, some sort of anti-Irish slur?


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Re: The British way.
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2005, 11:34:20 AM »

Threw a right paddy?  What is that, some sort of anti-Irish slur?


paddy →noun (Brit. informal) rage, (bad) temper, (bad) mood, pet, fit of pique, tantrum; informal grump, stress; Brit. informal strop; N. Amer. informal blowout, hissy fit.

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Re: The British way.
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2005, 11:40:34 AM »
Yeah, I worked out what "paddy" was supposed to mean. And I know what the  stereotypes of "paddys" are. Hence my question. Is the origin of the phrase rooted in the negative stereotype? That is how it strikes me.


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Re: The British way.
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2005, 11:42:43 AM »
Yes I believe "paddy" does stem from the term for an Irishman but can we keep this thread on topic please. Perhaps you can start a thread somewhere else about the "paddy" thing, or take it to PMs,  if you want to continue it.


Re: The British way.
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2005, 11:47:58 AM »
What is that, some sort of anti-Irish slur?

Fantastic!  [smiley=laugh4.gif]

My mother always used "throw a paddy", but my father prefered "chuck your dummy" when describing their kids' tantrums. Probably not worth having a cow over, in any case ;)

On topic, I find the best part of playing games with young children is that you can cheat much more easily. Of course kids tend to make up their own rules too, so the "winner" of these things is often open to interpretation.
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Re: The British way.
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2005, 12:29:03 PM »
Excuse me for being slightly offended at an ethnic slur.


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Re: The British way.
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2005, 01:58:32 PM »
I nevber knew "paddy" was an ethnic slur, and always thought it just meant a tantrum.  :-[
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Re: The British way.
« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2005, 02:27:39 PM »
Well without getting into it too deeply so as to go way off topic. But the term 'paddy', like 'mick' and 'taig', is a term used -- usually derogatorily -- in regards to Irishmen. When put in the context of 'threw a paddy', which is meant to describe irrational, violent, fighting, fit-throwing behavior, it is an ethnic slur, i.e., you are describing 'typical' (re stereotypical) Irish behavior, for the stereotype of the Irish or 'paddys' is to be fighting, violent, ill-tempered etc. Terms like 'paddywagon' also stem from the stereotype of the drunken Irish and that the drunk wagon would be filled with 'paddys' or Irishmen, or that the cops would have to go round up the drunken Irish at the end of the night. 'Acting the mick' is another common ethnic slur based on the Irish stereotype. Words like Mick, Paddy, Tim and Taig are used to refer to Irish people (like Jose or Juan for Mexicans) because the names were at one point very common for Irish men, especially at a time when they were a large part of the immigrant make-up either in the UK or in America. Taig stems from Tadgh which is the Irish name for Timothy and it is a very offensive term.

Anyway, I was just surprised to see 'threw a paddy'. Without wanting to get too PC, describing behavior in racial/ethnic terms is awkward to say the least, and on a UK based forum where a number of people are Irish or married to Irish or in Ireland and aware of the history of British stereotypes of Irish people and its legacy...well, I suppose that is me getting too PC but I just thought it was worth questioning the use of.


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Re: The British way.
« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2005, 02:36:55 PM »
I understand where you're coming from Stella Marie. I don't think anyone meant it to be offensive but thank you for pointing it out so now people know.  I personally wouldn't have read it that way, but then I'm not Irish or living in Ireland - I can understand it would be more offensive there. 


Re: The British way.
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2005, 02:44:04 PM »
Always good to question things, agreed. And language is a tricky business!

"Having a paddy" is an ethnic slur kinda like the way that "going dutch" or dutch courage" were 17th century ethnic slurs - insults regarding Dutch people's lack of generosity and bravery.

Words and phrases change their meaning, emphasis and intent over time. I seriously doubt that in 2005 anyone (especially anyone on this forum) is having a sly dig at the Irish or the Dutch when they use phrases like these.


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Re: The British way.
« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2005, 05:00:52 PM »
then to be PC I shall speak in the correct terms and never shall a commonly used slang term pass my lips again. :P


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