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Reputation of Unis in UK--LSE vs Westminster
« on: October 27, 2008, 02:30:13 AM »
I wish to attend a university in the UK, preferably London, next fall. So far my choices for applying at London School of Economics and the University of Westminster. I want to study International Relations and Foreign Language.

I know that in the US it is a big deal which Uni you attended, I guess my question is whether or not such a mentality exists or is worse in the UK? Westminster would be good for me in the fact that it has the sandwich program I want as well as the graduate program I wish to attend, but LSE has a far better reputation, especially in Political Science. It would cost about £8,700 for Westminster vs £12,900 for LSE.

Is there a 'middle-range' school for IR in London? Is school ranking such a big deal in the UK, particularly when it comes to getting a job? Is Westminster worth attending to save £4,000 a year?
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Re: Reputation of Unis in UK--LSE vs Westminster
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2008, 10:44:20 AM »
Reputation is a pretty big thing here.  The Sunday Times publishes a ranking every year (link)  I like The Guardian's guide a bit more since it ranks by subject.  Here's their guide for politics: link.


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Re: Reputation of Unis in UK--LSE vs Westminster
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2008, 11:36:57 AM »
LSE has not only a better reputation within the UK, but it also has an extremely impressive international reputation. I know they have an active global alumni network. I would think this would be a very important consideration in the field of International Relations, and personally, I think it would definitely be worth the extra money.


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Re: Reputation of Unis in UK--LSE vs Westminster
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2008, 11:46:57 AM »
agreed with kate_mate.  If there's any way you can come up with the extra money, I would totally pick LSE for IR due to its reputation around the world.
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Re: Reputation of Unis in UK--LSE vs Westminster
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2008, 12:41:57 PM »
If you'd like the opinion of a Brit Pol Sci grad, I have to say, I agree totally with Springhaze.  LSE still has a 'wow' factor in terms of reputation for Pol Sci and Int Relations...more so than if you were doing PPE at Oxford.  It really is THE place for this subject (and no, I didn't go there!!)

In terms of reputation, employability, and standard of teaching you will be streets above others in your field.

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Re: Reputation of Unis in UK--LSE vs Westminster
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2008, 06:27:07 PM »
Thank you! I figured reputation would be a big issue but I kept getting mixed signals from research that you should either save your money for grad school and go to a cheaper undergraduate school or you should go to a reputed undergraduate school because you're more likely to find a better job on sole reputation.... Also I wasn't sure about the UK as it seems there is a different attitude towards school.
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Re: Reputation of Unis in UK--LSE vs Westminster
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2008, 12:18:26 PM »
Also I wasn't sure about the UK as it seems there is a different attitude towards school.

Which is...?


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Re: Reputation of Unis in UK--LSE vs Westminster
« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2008, 04:16:35 AM »
Which is...?

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I read an article, from I believe the Good Times(?), talking about how many students in the UK choose to work versus going to higher education after their equivalent of high school is over. In the US at least, the attitude that is drilled into students is either go to college or ELSE. It's the attitude that I was raised with though I really wish to continue my education, I believe university isn't for everyone. Someone also told me once that in the UK, you can choose to work right after school and it's not as frowned upon as in the states.

This is just what I heard after all, that there are generally more socially acceptable options after school is over in the UK versus in the US where, in my experience, they pretend like there is no other option other than university. You would know better than me though, Vicky.

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Re: Reputation of Unis in UK--LSE vs Westminster
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2008, 07:44:17 AM »
I read an article, from I believe the Good Times(?), talking about how many students in the UK choose to work versus going to higher education after their equivalent of high school is over. In the US at least, the attitude that is drilled into students is either go to college or ELSE. It's the attitude that I was raised with though I really wish to continue my education, I believe university isn't for everyone. Someone also told me once that in the UK, you can choose to work right after school and it's not as frowned upon as in the states.

This is just what I heard after all, that there are generally more socially acceptable options after school is over in the UK versus in the US where, in my experience, they pretend like there is no other option other than university. You would know better than me though, Vicky.



From my experience of the US university system, it would seem that US education is about 1-2 years behind the UK at around high school/first year of college level. I studied abroad in the US after 2 years of UK university and found myself in 400-level senior classes and 500-level graduate classes because the 300-level junior classes were too easy for me (I had covered them in 'freshman' year in the UK). Because of this difference in the system, the last 2 years of UK high school are approximately equivalent to the first year or two of US college, which means that by the time UK students reach 18, they have effectively covered the equivalent of some US college-level work.

In the UK, education is only compulsory until the age of 16 (the exams taken at age 16 are considered to be approximately equivalent to a US high school diploma). At 16, pupils can either choose to stay at school or to go to a Sixth Form college to study for A-levels (2-years courses to prepare for and get into university) or they can go to a vocational college and study anything from Science to hairdressing to childcare, or they can go into full-time employment or work-based training. In my UK high school, approximately 50% left at age 16 to either go to vocational college, study A-levels somewhere else or to go into full-time employment. Of those who stayed on to do A-levels, about 2/3 went on to university (some took a year out to travel first and others went straight to uni), while the rest either went into full-time employment or to a vocational college to do courses in something different.

In the US, I think there is more of an attitude that without a degree, you won't get very far in the real world, but in the UK, it's not such a big deal. I have friends who didn't go to university, who now earn more than those who did go. Having said that, a lot of people do go to university - there are currently about £2.5 million students studying at universities in the UK. As you said, university isn't for everyone - my mum has a university degree, but my dad got a teaching certificate at a college rather than doing a full degree. The older of my younger brothers and I both went to university - he did an undergraduate degree and I got undergraduate and postgraduate masters degrees, while my youngest brother (age 18) is applying to universities right now, but it's not definite whether he will decide to go yet or not (depends on his grades, if he gets offered a place etc.).


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Re: Reputation of Unis in UK--LSE vs Westminster
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2008, 11:27:17 AM »
Only about half of my friends went to University, and I don't recall there was any stigma on those who didn't. 

I actually think that too many kids in the UK go to University. People go to less good uni's, do courses which I would say are not really very 'serious', and get there with very poor grades.  there is pressure from the government for kids to stay on at school and go to uni as it massages the unemployment figures. 

This is why it is so important to go to a uni with a good rep.  It is easy to get a degree; it remains hard to get a good degree from a reputable institution.

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Re: Reputation of Unis in UK--LSE vs Westminster
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2009, 09:35:54 PM »
This is why it is so important to go to a uni with a good rep.  It is easy to get a degree; it remains hard to get a good degree from a reputable institution.

Vicky

Having said that, are there any universities that you could name for me or in your opinion that I should avoid like the plague?
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Re: Reputation of Unis in UK--LSE vs Westminster
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2009, 11:13:54 PM »
No, there are not.

Personally, I wouldn't advise Brunel, as it is in a not-great area, but you need to look at the league tables and ask about to get an idea.

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Re: Reputation of Unis in UK--LSE vs Westminster
« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2009, 11:35:52 PM »
It really depends on a lot of factors, but chances are, most universities here don't carry the same aura as in the States.  Look at the league tables and the most recent RAE.  Both will have fairly accurate ranking groups in each area of study.  For the RAE, I think group area 39 ("Politics and International Studies") would be the closest to what you want.  Also look at closely related areas (in case you shift your interest) and interdisciplinary work (since that's the big thing right now).  Lastly, look at the location: pick somewhere you think you'd like to live, and don't forget that it costs more to live in a bigger place London than in a smaller place like Aberdeen (no offence to anyone living there, but I don't think someone could pay me enough to live in Aberdeen...and it's not because of the people but the weather).


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Re: Reputation of Unis in UK--LSE vs Westminster
« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2009, 07:33:54 PM »
Thank you! I appreciate all the feedback! I sent off my UCAS application with my choices of SOAS, LSE, Westminster, and Leeds. I'm still crossing my fingers for LSE, SOAS and Leeds, but so far I have received an unconditional offer from Westminster already  :D
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