NEED HELP WITH VISITOR MARRIAGE VISA!!!

Hello - My fiancee & I are both US citizens looking to get married in Scotland. The wedding is scheduled to be in 1 month exactly, and we've been denied TWICE for a Visa. I need help ASAP!

here's the situation:
1. We're currently living in Paris, France and have applied with WorldBridge here
2. I am in Paris on a 6 month student visa, my fiancee is here on a 3-month standard tourist visa
3. We've provided:
       - purchased flight info back to US on July 13, 2009
       - all wedding plans & letter from local registrar to prove we are getting married
       - my student visa information in France
       - car rental/hotel info for our stay in Edinburgh
       - financial information showing we can support ourselves for the duration of travel

what they've said (see my questions/comments in red]:
"You state that you wish to visit the UK for 11 days to get married to Emile Charles Christopher Lawrence. His application for a marriage visit was submitted along with and at the same time as your application and he has been refused under reference#****. He did not provide evidence of his circumstances in France. You have provided a statement from the Rice School of Architecture which states that you were stying in France until 31/05/09 (yes, this is true that the letter said the semester ended May 31st. But my French Student Visa is valid until August 6, 2009, after which I am allowed to stay for another 3 months on a standard tourist visa). You have not provided evidence of what you have been doing since this date and what your future plans are (How do I prove that I am a tourist? What kind of documents do I submit for this?? And doesn't my flight back to the USA show what my future plans are?) UKBA website clearly advises about the supporting documents that we require applicants to produce when submitting a via application (I provided everything I could that was relevant to me...there was nothing about what kind of documentation to provide about my current situation in France). You have not provided key documents regarding your situation in France, and therefore, have failed to furnish us with enough information to enable us to take a decision as to whether, and on what terms, leave to enter should be granted (in March my fiancee & I visited Scotland for a week to make some wedding arrangements. They granted us 6 months "leave to enter" then, which is stamped in our passports...why won't they grant it now?). In the absence of documentary evidence of sufficiently strong family, social and economic ties to France, I am not satisfied that you are a genuine visitor for a limited period, or that you intend to leave the UK at the end of your visit."

Can someone please tell me what other documents we should provide? We've spent nearly $400USD on the first 2 applications. Apparently we can't appeal, and there's no one at the UK border agency to talk to.

Desperate - René

Simply, you need to show reason why you will leave the UK, either to return to France or to return to the US.  You were okay before because you had time left as a student, but now you appear to have no ties to any other country.

Vicky

So - would my registration for classes in the US for the Fall semester work? And for my fiancee, a letter from his employer stating that he will return to work in late July? And...is a flight back to the US good enough (keep in mind, this was the actual e-ticket that we submitted, not just an itinerary).
Thanks Vicky!!

MVV FAQ:  http://londonelegance.com/transpondia/mvv/

There is no real way of knowing if it would work.  I would want to see your two previous refusals.

Vicky

OK - here's what they state--

first refusal letter:
The UK Border Agency and the British Embassy in Paris, together with the Visa Applicaiton Centre, provide information to visa applicants about the types of documents they will be required to produce so that they can demonstrate to the Entry Clearance Officer that they meet the requirements of the Immigration Rules. This decision has been made on the basis of the evidence you have supplied. We advise applicants that the failure to submit such documentation may result in refusal of the application. The onus is on applicants to demonstrate that they meet the requirements and relevant rules.   

(the a bunch of standard speak):...You have declared this information true....I have carefully considered your application....It has not been necessary to interview you...

UKBA website clearly advises about the supporting documents that we require applicants to produce when submitting a visa application. You have not provided key documents regarding your situation in France and your stay in the UK and therefore, have failed to furnish us with enough information to enable us to take a decision as to whether, and on what terms, leave to enter should be granted.
You have failed to provide evidence of your circumstances in France. In the absense of documentary evidence of sufficiently strong family, social, and economic tis to France, I am not satisfied that you are a genuine visitor for a limited period, or that you intend to leave the UK at the end of your visit. Paragraphs (i) and (ii).

I therefore refuse your application under Paragraph 56D (i).

You have applied as a visitor for marriage or civil partnership but you have failed to provide any documentary evidence to show that you intend to get married in the UK with the proposed person and that any arrangement has been made to do so in the UK.

In the light of the above I am not satisfied that you can show that you intend to give notice of marriage or civil partnership, in the UK within the period for which entry is sough; and that you can produce satisfactory evidence, if required to do so, of the arrangements for giving notice of marriage or civil partnership, or for your wedding or civil partnership to take place, in the UK during the period for which entry is sought. I therefore refuse your application.

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The 2nd refusal letter I typed out in my first post. But with that one I included:
- a letter from my school stating that I was a student in France. (But the letter stated that classes ended May 31, 2009....so, on the recent refusal they say they don't know what I'm doing in France NOW. well, i'm just a tourist now.)
- a letter from the registrar stating that we are getting married
- all correspondence of wedding plans
- deposit for rental car & accommodations for our days in Edinburgh
- flight info back to the US on July 13, 2009

I have my fiancee's refusal letters as well, but his states basically the same as mine (just not all the school stuff b/c he's not a student. It states "you have not provided key documents regarding your situation in France and therefore, have failed to furnish us with enough information to enable us to take a decision as to whether, and on what terms, leave to enter should be granted."

He is just here on his US passport as a standard tourist visa. He's just been here visiting me so his ties to France are me. What I don't understand is, why do they care so much about our situation in France? I was here for a semester as a student, he came to visit me and to help in wedding preparations. Thats all there is to it!

I don't know if this matters but - We both went to Glasgow/Edinburgh in March to visit reception locations for the wedding, and we both have stamped visas in our passports from then. It says "Leave to enter for 6 months: employment and recourse to public funds prohibited" Dated Mar 9, 2009. So they granted us leave to enter then...but not now?

I now have and can submit:
- a letter from my school registrar saying that i'm registered for 22 hours for the fall 2009 semester
- Chris has a letter from his employer in the US stating he's been on leave for the wedding and will return to work in late July
- letters from our health insurance companies showing we have coverage
- more financial documents showing that we have funds to cover our trip

Is there anything else I should submit? What kind of documents can we submit to show our "current situation in France"?

Thanks so much for your help!!! René

As suspected, the problem is that you have no ties.  prove the ties, prove the reaosn you need to leave the UK and return to either the US or France, and it should work.

Vicky

If I'm reading this right both you and your fiancee are currently in France on tourist visas. In my view it wouldn't be realistic to expect visas to be granted as France isn't your country of residence.

For e.g. I applied for my HSMP visa from the US as a non-US-citizen but I was a resident there. If I was just a tourist in the US I wouldn't even have thought of applying for any visa outside my country of citizenship.

That isn't the problem.  Tourist visas can be applied for from anywhere.  The problem is that, because they are getting married in Scotland and didn't provide evidence of this first time, and now have no evidence of what they intend to do next, there is a suspicion they will stay in the UK.

Vicky