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Re: Anti-American sentiments said in school.
« Reply #30 on: November 01, 2009, 04:54:02 PM »
Thankfully, I believe, Ayoubob, that there is movement towards completely sacking disfranchisement against prisoners.

Again, not quite Anti-America, just...wrong. Another one of my lecturers said that, it is much more difficult to register to vote in the US, in Britain where they send you forms in the post, it is very easy here. I sat there thinking...'um, I sent my registration through the mail and I could check online to see if they received my information...not really hard.'

Not malicious...just wrong.

Yeah, me too. I downloaded the forms off the net, filled them out and sent them off. It's not that hard.

While it is just "wrong", it is grounded in anti-american sentiment. Everyone loves to think the worst of the place and will happily pass on utter lies because they heard it from someone else.

I'd love to have a £1 for every person who's ever told me that a friend or neighbour or relative was at Windsor castle when they heard an American say, "it's lovely. Shame they built it so close to the airport".

A few years ago when the World Cup was on and America had qualified really easily, a sports reporter was on the news America bashing saying that there was no interest there and you wouldn't even know the world cup was even on. Well, we were in the states at the time and there was at least 30 minutes of coverage on the news and ESPN were showing 2 live games and 2 recorded games every single day. We ate in a couple of sports bars and they always had games on when we were there so this guy just flat out lied. Anyway, about a year later I was in a pub and they were talking about how the US was hosting the next world cup and how it was so wrong because in the last world cup they had no interest and basically quoted this sports journalist. So, I just leaned over and said excuse me and told him that that was crap and that I was there and it was covered etc and it's not cool to propogate lies like that if you don't actually know it's true.

Of course, he and his friends looked at me like I had maggots crawling out of my eyes but my friend just smiled at them and said, "sorry, there's only so much anti-american crap she can take in a day and you were the icing on the cake". LOL


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Re: Anti-American sentiments said in school.
« Reply #31 on: November 01, 2009, 05:10:25 PM »
Yeah, me too. I downloaded the forms off the net, filled them out and sent them off. It's not that hard.

While it is just "wrong", it is grounded in anti-american sentiment. Everyone loves to think the worst of the place and will happily pass on utter lies because they heard it from someone else.

I'd love to have a £1 for every person who's ever told me that a friend or neighbour or relative was at Windsor castle when they heard an American say, "it's lovely. Shame they built it so close to the airport".

A few years ago when the World Cup was on and America had qualified really easily, a sports reporter was on the news America bashing saying that there was no interest there and you wouldn't even know the world cup was even on. Well, we were in the states at the time and there was at least 30 minutes of coverage on the news and ESPN were showing 2 live games and 2 recorded games every single day. We ate in a couple of sports bars and they always had games on when we were there so this guy just flat out lied. Anyway, about a year later I was in a pub and they were talking about how the US was hosting the next world cup and how it was so wrong because in the last world cup they had no interest and basically quoted this sports journalist. So, I just leaned over and said excuse me and told him that that was crap and that I was there and it was covered etc and it's not cool to propogate lies like that if you don't actually know it's true.

Of course, he and his friends looked at me like I had maggots crawling out of my eyes but my friend just smiled at them and said, "sorry, there's only so much anti-american crap she can take in a day and you were the icing on the cake". LOL


LOL!!! Definitely true about the world cup. I even watched the Euro-cup with my dad on TV. My friends who don't usually like sports, watch soccer.  ::)

Going back to my seminars, a lot of students had seen "Sicko" could believed that they could say horrible things about the US health system. Seriously, during the seminar, they offered crucial details but when I asked them what they thought about the depiction of the British system, they suddenly didn't remember  ::) Not to restart the debate on health care...but there seems to be an extreme taboo over discussing privatization of anything, like the idea of socializing in the states. Since that seminar I have tried to research the pros and cons of socialization and privatization of institutions.
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Re: Anti-American sentiments said in school.
« Reply #32 on: November 12, 2009, 04:40:34 PM »
Well, I don't know if these qualify for 'Anti-America,' but I have noticed many of my lecturers whenever they need an extreme example of something 'bad,' it's an example of an American system. And often, much of the information and or examples are stretched. For example, we were talking about voting and disfranchisement. My lecturer, Australian if any relevance, said 'blacks couldn't vote in the US until the 1960s."

Maybe he said 'parts of the US,' can't remember for sure, but even before the 15th amendment, blacks could vote as early as 1776 in states like Delaware, New York and Massachusetts. After the 15th amendment, many states disfranchised many blacks and even many whites with 'grandfather clauses,' literacy tests, etc.

The same lecturer also said that if you are incarcerated in the US, you lose your right to vote. Again, don't know the laws of every single state, but I believe you have 'civil death' if you commit a felony and even then I believe that Kentucky and Virginia are the only states that say you permanently lose your right to vote if you commit a felony.

The same lecturer I was previously talking about, said today and I quote, "if you're incarcerated in the United States, you lose your right to vote. Keep in mind, that's a population of 2 million people."  I was sitting literally inches away from him, shaking my head. :-X Luckily a few of the students I spoke with after wards had doubted the truth of the statement, but obviously, not every student in that lecture had the same amount of sense.

I'm just not sure what to do. I want to tell him that he is wrong. I decided not to say anything during the lecture, not to interrupt him and to be polite. His statements sound like hearsay to me, but it just shocks me that a university professor doesn't check his sources. I thought about leaving him a letter with multiple sources that I found contradicting his statements, but I think that might be too passive aggressive. Perhaps I'm being too sensitive about it but I just can't believe that a university professor says things that are so wrong. What should I do? Tell him or just let it go?
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Re: Anti-American sentiments said in school.
« Reply #33 on: November 12, 2009, 04:58:58 PM »
I'd probably frame it like "I was unaware of some of the facts you stated today in class. Could you please give me your sources so I can research them further?" or something to that effect... basically putting him on the spot (bc it sounds like he doesn't have any resources) but not outright contradicting him? Does that make sense?
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Re: Anti-American sentiments said in school.
« Reply #34 on: November 12, 2009, 05:24:26 PM »
Is the guy approachable or does he seem a bit of a prat?

Myself, if I thought he might take umbrage and if there was any possibity of it affecting his marking my grades, I'd suck it and just have the satisfaction knowing that he is a numpty and leave it at that.

Or maybe just say, after class, that you know of one state that doesn't deny the vote. Or save it for when the time is right, which could be never.

All depends on the guy. I agree I would want to set him straight, depending on the possible consequences.

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Re: Anti-American sentiments said in school.
« Reply #35 on: November 12, 2009, 05:40:24 PM »
Is the guy approachable or does he seem a bit of a prat?

Myself, if I thought he might take umbrage and if there was any possibity of it affecting his marking my grades, I'd suck it and just have the satisfaction knowing that he is a numpty and leave it at that.

Or maybe just say, after class, that you know of one state that doesn't deny the vote. Or save it for when the time is right, which could be never.

All depends on the guy. I agree I would want to set him straight, depending on the possible consequences.

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You're spot on, Bob.  If the guy is the type that can't take being contradicted, let it go.  If he seems reasonable, gather your evidence and stay after class to have a chat about it.


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Re: Anti-American sentiments said in school.
« Reply #36 on: November 12, 2009, 06:01:45 PM »
I agree, if you're going to raise it with him, do it in person.


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