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Moving to London in July!
« on: May 02, 2010, 10:59:33 PM »
Hi Everyone,
We are really hoping to find a flat in May so we have a mailing address to begin to register my kids for school.  I am trying to figure out where to focus on looking.  I am in sticker shock with the rental costs as I live in the midwest.  I was hoping 500 pounds per week would get us something in north northwest London in a central location near a tube and grocery, but maybe I was naive.  I read somewhere rent is calculated on 4.3 weeks per month?  Anyone have ideas? Any location recommendations that work well with small children?  Thanks!


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Re: Moving to London in July!
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2010, 12:29:44 PM »
£500 per week is a good sum for getting a house or flat in NW/N London though not in zone 1 or 2 most likely.  What are you looking for?  What sort of area?  Cause I rented a 3 bedroom house in Kilburn for less than that.  And do note that prices are flexible.


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Re: Moving to London in July!
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2010, 12:33:26 PM »
For decent flats (which I would consider strongly instead of a house cause you can get similar space w/o the cost), I would look in Maida Vale, South Hampstead, West Hampstead, Golders Green, Queens Park (I know NW London and not N London as well).


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Re: Moving to London in July!
« Reply #3 on: May 03, 2010, 12:39:04 PM »
How many rooms are you looking for? At £500/week, you should be able to find a 2-3 bedroom flat in N/NW London without too much difficulty, although some of the especially posh streets may be tougher and the quality/size is inversely proportional to the area/# of rooms. My wife and I just spent the past six weeks or so scouring around Bayswater, Islington, Hampstead Village, and Notting Hill (some of the most desirable areas within central London), and you can actually find some pretty amazing properties in the £500 range (@ 2bds)... and not entirely unreasonable ones @ 3bds. We really liked the Angel district, which is very hip and vibrant, but perhaps not ideal for children; some of the neighbouring areas, however, would be fantastic: Highbury Islington and Canonbury, especially, I think would be good.

I suspect one of the deeper problems with your search, though, may be that you're still in a Midwestern mindset. Quite simply, unless you are ridiculously wealthy, you will not find a flat within central London that's even a tiny fraction of what you're used to back home. Living spaces here are substantially smaller and people are forced to adjust accordingly. Within central London, for example, I don't know any family where each of their children get their own room, unless they're either rich or bought the flat decades ago. Practically speaking, at £500/week and in the more desirable central London neighbourhoods, you're likely going to be looking at places with around 800-1000 sqft. Our 2bd flat, at a similar price range, is almost 900 sqft and people say it's grand and posh.

With all of that said, if you're willing to move outwards a bit, the deals improve substantially. As a point of example, one of our fallback neighbourhoods, when we were equivocating over whether we wanted more space or a more vibrant location, was Chiswick. It's out on the edge of zone 2/3 (the areas we were looking at), but appeared to be a quite nice, wonderfully family-friendly area. In a similar price range, we were coming across large (by UK standards) houses that could easily shelter entire broods. You'll still likely find them quaint, but the adjustment may be easier to make than being crammed into an inner city flat. =) I'm sure there are comparably nice, or nicer, neighbourhoods elsewhere, where you'll get much more for your money.

Ultimately, it all boils down to desirability and money. Everyone wants to live in zone 1, right near a tube stop. Unfortunately, there is a ridiculous amount of money in this city and there's absolutely no shortage of people willing to pay ridiculous amounts of money to live in these desirable locations. My wife and I make a bit over £100k/year, and we've had to make gross compromises on flat size, neighbourhood, amenities, proximity to transportation, etc. just to find a marginally acceptable flat. And we don't even have kids yet, with all of the extra constraints they add. In the US, our salaries would be silly and we could live in the best flats, in the best locations, in the best cities, without hardly having to compromise at all. Here, when we talk to estate agents for the neighbourhoods we're (and you're) looking at, our incomes are decidedly average amongst the 2 bd seekers. It's fiercely competitive...

Anyway, I'm sort of prattling on a bit. =) Some more practical points:

  • Monthly rent is calculated as such: weekly rent * 52 / 12
  • The rule of thumb I've seen here is that your rent shouldn't be much more than 1/3rd of your takehome salary. Much more than that and it'll be harder to get approved.
  • Don't worry about proximity to a grocery store. The practicalities of shopping here aren't at all like the Midwest and this would ridiculously constrain your options. There really aren't even that many big grocery stores here. Fortunately, most of the brands offer delivery service. IIRC, Waitrose (which is probably the poshest grocer here) has an offer where you pay something like £40/year for unlimited deliveries on orders over £50 (I'm likely mixing up some of the numbers, but the ranges are about right). Of all the things to compromise on, this should probably be one of the first. Plus, there's really not much of a shortage of local/small groceries to pick up bread, milk, etc. at.
  • In terms of descending value, look for properties on: www.zoopla.co.uk, www.findaproperty.co.uk, www.globrix.com, www.gumtree.com (tons of fake ads), and then individual estate agent sites. Foxtons has the best site, and often some of the best properties, but they're a bit shady and have far-and-away the highest commissions and charges. Everyone hates them. But, they have a great site. (If you see a property you like, search for it elsewhere; landlords often multilist and, when they do, the price on non-Foxtons sites are almost always cheaper. One place we saw was a full £75/week less.)
  • One of the hardest things to get used to here is that rents ARE ALWAYS NEGOTIABLE. And often by quite a lot. If it's listed through Foxtons, this is especially true. We've negotiated down by upwards of £50-75/week and had offers accepted. If you're willing to sign a longer lease (e.g. 2 years), you'll gain more flexibility.
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Re: Moving to London in July!
« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2010, 10:53:53 PM »
Thank you to both of you for the time and effort you put into these posts.  I don't particularly care about the size of the flat we rent.  It is more important to me to be in an area that has children around, and where the schools are good.  I also anticipate that we will run into some trouble with the fact that we have a dog that needs to move with us.  My kids would be heart broken without him.  Anyway, again thanks for all the info.  It has given me much to research! 


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Re: Moving to London in July!
« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2010, 08:24:16 AM »
I'm from the Midwest as well and when I first arrived I was really disappointed as well.  I think the previous posters gave some good places to look in the North but I dont' think South London is that bad either.

You can still easily access the tube or get to central London looking at places like Wimbledon or New Malden/Kews (Pick areas near the Commons).  They are still nice quiet and safe neighborhoods with easy access to parks and about the same price as places like Hampstead.  Just an idea if area is flexible for you.

I live in a house in zone 1 and rent out a place in zone 2.  If you are in zone 1, you are basically paying for the convenience and not the quality.  I don't have to walk for more than 5-10 minutes to any store or supermarket.  But on the flip side, I have to go quite a long way to get to a park.  Unless you live near a park, I doubt you will have much greens to work with.  Looking at the people who live around me, most of the people I live with are retirees who are at Florida half the year or are young singles who are living in a tiny studio.  There is no one with kids on my street/block.

The flat I rent out in zone 2 is about 1.2k a month for 2 bedrooms+lk.  There are kids in the neighborhood but you end up having to deal with a lot of noise.  It's by council housing so it tends to be a bit noisy on Friday and Saturday nights.  I do agree with the previous poster on being able to negotiate on the rent.  However, I would like to point out that it all depends on where you live.  If you are close to central London, more likely than not you are probably competing with a few others who are also vying for the spot.  With the recession, I suppose there is less of that but it is expected to go up 5% at least by the end of this year.  My own experience, I didn't have any trouble getting my asking price for the rent.  You might have a bit more room for talks (espcially if you have a pet) if you are further out.

Look on places like Rightmove and if they list the place more than once, go with some place other than Foxtons.  That is just my own opinion so take with it as you will.  If possible always go with a local agent.  Ask plenty of questions and never assume anything and view at different times!  (Of course it will be quiet and peaceful at noon on a wendesday afternoon, everyone is out!)  A lot of times, I find the agents more of a hassle than anything.  If you can contact the landlord, would be a good idea to with a good rapport with him/her than the agent.  They often make things way difficult than they need to be.

To put some pricing into perspective:
an 800k flat in Chelsea will get you a small kitchen/reception and 2 small bedrooms with no garden whatsoever.
an 800k house in Wimbledon (near the Commons) will get you a 3-4 bedroom house with at least 2 reception rooms, a spacious kitchen and at least a 15-30ft garden.

So if you can bear the extra few minutes on the train or tube, I would definitely look further out.


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Re: Moving to London in July!
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2010, 02:29:04 AM »
Thanks Sakura.  We do want to look at Wimbledon as well as Islington.  I just want to be far enough away from central London to have space, parks, and kids around.  But, also not so far away that we can't easily get to the city.  ??


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Re: Moving to London in July!
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2010, 01:12:02 PM »
Hi Michiganmom

Some good advice here already,
Just wanted to add, travel around London using buses and public transport in so far as terms of being 'able' to get around is very good indeed. Lots of connections and overall, you are never too far away from a tube station.

Overall, the further away from central london you go, the chances of more greener areas become viable. Don't discount places like Kingston and other areas of SW London, some areas of North London would suit as well.

In short, there's literally hundred of potential places which could suit, some much further out than others. You'll need to check all the extra costs as well as just rent, think of council tax, insurances etc.

Cheers, DtM! West London & Slough UK!


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