A solution to moving to England.

Hey everyone this is my first post. I read some of the posts on this forum with interest because essentially some of you guys have the exact opposite problem as me. I want to move to America, and you want to move to England! I’ve been obsessed with America for a long time.

The problem we both have is that unless you have family out there or want to take on a lot of debt to do a masters then it is pretty much impossible to get a visa to live and work in our respective countries. So this got me thinking. Why don’t I simply meetup with an American girl who wants to move to England and marry them. Then surely that means I could move to America and they could move to England!?

So at this stage it’s just a thought. I don’t have anything planned out in detail but I thought I would post this as it could solve someone’s problems here and solve my problems too. A bit about me: I’m 25 years old, English, 6ft 2, male, graduated in Economics from a good university, have worked in a lot of big companies, and recently started my own business. I like rock music, the outdoors, and reading. Note that this is not a profile for you to date me, but for a business arrangement in which we both get to live in our dream countries.

So contact me if you are interested. I apologise to the forum moderators in advance if this kind of post is not allowed. I thought it was worth a shot to post this as it could solve my problem of living and working in the USA.

Um.. no.  For your American "wife" to live in the UK, you would have to live in the UK with her and vice versa.  Dumb idea.

Several flaws with your idea. If you want to marry and move to a country you have to actually move with your spouse. Also if you marry simply for the right to move to a country that is deception and illegal.

I am not going to delete your post-- but just want to make it clear that in no way could this plan work-- and it is certainly not legal.

Isn't this situation exactly why people have a hard time getting spouse visa's so they can be with the people they love?  The IO's looking for sham marriages and what not...

  Why not just visit the US for a while, I'll think you'll find it's not all "Hollywood Glitz and Glamour" - Plus you have the whole EU at your fingertips, I hear Greece's climate is close to California's.  

 In any case I don't think your going to find a sympathetic ear here, In fact I think most people on this forum will be appalled at you for trying to defraud not only your own government  but the US government as well. We all have to jump through hoops and pay big money to come to this country honestly.  No disrespect but, not cool.

I have actually lived in America before, as a result of my Dad getting an H1B visa to work there. We lived there for 3 years and it was the best 3 years of my childhood. Since then, I've visited lots of times and dated a number of American girls at university. None of the relationships worked out though.

I don't see my plan as defrauding anyone, I think the immigration laws are immoral and should be broken. When a poor Mexican illegally crosses the border to find a better life, it is the government who is in the wrong when they harass him. I hope this doesn't start a political debate, but I think the morality and legality of immigration systems are two wholly separate things.

When two people are desperate for their dreams to become a reality and noone else is harmed I don't see the immorality of my plan.

HG, mirrajay, - how would the government know we were living together? I mean obviously we would get both names on all bills and leases etc, where is the problem?

Apologies again, if this thread is annoying anyone.

Well ummm hmmm let's see... the fact that you have passports to enter countries...the fact that you are both in different countries at the same time...the fact you are employed by people in opposite countries...
If you are now saying that you know this is illegal but feel the law should be broken, we aren't going to support you on this forum to help break laws.
If you want to discuss legal options we are happy to help. If you are going to continue down the line of discussing how to get away with an illegal option I will end up deleting the thread.  I have left it for now as I wanted to give opportunities for people to discuss other options with you.

This is a shame marriage and screws many people down the lines and why when it is real - everyone freaks out to make sure they can prove it is.

Mexican's crossing the border illegally is VERY different then defrauding two countries systems for visa's to live in a country not of your own.

I am not even sure I believe anyone would have the gall to post this online somewhere and ask for it

Oh man, I was really needing a good laugh this morning. 

You may not see it as defrauding the government, but the government will certainly see it that way.  You're lying about the genuine-ness of your relationship which is deception.  That's grounds for being banned from living in or even visiting the UK (so your theoretical cohort would have her dreams completely ruined), and I'd imagine the US would have a similar response.

Good luck with not getting banned from the US for trying to pull a stunt like that! 

And how would they know?  It's like HG said.  Plus, it appears that the US and UK share information between one another about immigrants.  Each time I go back to the US (my country of birth), I get asked a series of questions about why I am in the UK, basically to confirm that my story checks out.

It's not that easy, and people like you are why it's getting harder and harder.

Isn't this situation exactly why people have a hard time getting spouse visa's so they can be with the people they love?  The IO's looking for sham marriages and what not...

In any case I don't think your going to find a sympathetic ear here, In fact I think most people on this forum will be appalled at you for trying to defraud not only your own government  but the US government as well. We all have to jump through hoops and pay big money to come to this country honestly.  No disrespect but, not cool.

Agree totally with Smashley on this.  A large number of us on this board came to the UK in the correct and legal way to be with our partners/spouses whom we are in a genuine ongoing relationship with.  Legitimate immigration is hard enough without people trying to break the rules (and thus making it harder on others).  There's a world of difference between someone crawling through the desert to get across the Arizona border to try to have a better life and a citizen of a developed nation looking into the various legitimate ways they could move to another country.

My jaw actually dropped when I read this, and I just stared at the screen in shock. Is this for real???

HG, I think it's best if you delete this thread. It's not going to go anywhere given this level of intolerance.

intolerance? wow you expected people who follow the law and have paid loads of money to do things correct to be ok with this?

It's not that easy, and people like you are why it's getting harder and harder.

With all due respect, people like you are the reason it's getting harder and harder. I won't go into the political reasons as to why this is so (I don't think this is the place for such a discussion), but I couldn't let that comment stand.

With all due respect, people like you are the reason it's getting harder and harder. I won't go into the political reasons as to why this is so (I don't think this is the place for such a discussion), but I couldn't let that comment stand.

No, people like you are the reason this is getting harder. People who do things illegally make the government crack down on ALL immigrants, leaving the rest of us with enormous fees and a need to prove our legitimate relationships. People like you are the reason that my husband and I were stuck living in separate countries for 6.5 years.

I have looked over the thread and can see that people have responded appropriately about their views on the topic. I am locking the thread now as I feel both views have been expressed and nothing will be gained by rehashing it. I am not deleting it as I am sure others may have a thought similar in the future and I think it is fair that they can see the responses.