Hello
Guest

Sponsored Links


Topic: Why the difference between US and UK Circumcision Rates?  (Read 4612 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

  • *
  • Posts: 3565

  • Liked: 544
  • Joined: Jun 2014
  • Location: Derbyshire, UK
Re: Why the difference between US and UK Circumcision Rates?
« Reply #15 on: August 24, 2016, 08:31:36 AM »
I am Jewish and my spouse is Jewish, not all jews are circumcised at birth.. As for medical need there are many well documented cases where circumcision has to be done to adults and children because of medical issues..

I didn't think circumcision was done at birth for Jewish boys. I thought there was a ceremony outside of the hospital?

When I said 'I can't think of a time there would be a medical need' I was thinking of circumcision at birth. Of course, there would be adults and children who had circumstances that would make it a needed operation.

Parents can do what they want, it's their kid and their decision. Most do what culturally expected of them.
The usual. American girl meets British guy. They fall into like, then into love. Then there was the big decision. The American traveled across the pond to join the Brit. And life was never the same again.


  • *
  • Posts: 1134

  • Liked: 170
  • Joined: Oct 2012
  • Location: York
Re: Why the difference between US and UK Circumcision Rates?
« Reply #16 on: August 24, 2016, 10:16:31 AM »
Don't forget it's of religious importance to certain groups. I don't think Jewish people would appreciate what you said...

edited to add: I honestly can't think of a single time there is 'a medical need' for male circumcision so even saying that doesn't make any sense to me.

Phimosis (sp?) is a medical condition where the foreskin is not big/ stretchy enough to be withdrawn and it can cause pain. Sometimes circumcision is performed to solve this problem...

Don't ask where I got this info from please!!
« Last Edit: August 24, 2016, 10:18:27 AM by physicskate »
2004-2008: Student Visa
2008-2010: Tier 1 PSW
2010-2011: Tier 4
2011-2014: Tier 2
2013-2016: New Tier 2 (changed jobs)
16/12/15: SET (LR) successful! - It's been a long road...
12/05/16: Citizenship ceremony!


  • *
  • Posts: 4174

  • Liked: 533
  • Joined: Jul 2005
Re: Why the difference between US and UK Circumcision Rates?
« Reply #17 on: August 24, 2016, 02:28:55 PM »
What's the feminist line on circumcision?  Is there one?

I know that on Reddit there's a bunch of guys  that call it genital mutilation, but I think that's a bit insulting to women who have been mutilated in a lot worse ways.  I also think those guys know it's insulting and that's what they wish to achieve.

Well, it certainly is an alteration.

FGM is a tangled subject, Unlike male circumcision, it is done to control female sexuality. Bit like a lot of things done to women it becomes embedded in larger societal issues. Mothers who do not mutilate their daughters may be shamed or excluded. Women who are not mutilated may very well feel confused/shameful.

Comparing the two, then, is not quite right.....male circumcision isn't so much an attempt to control male sexuality....the root cause isn't as sinister.

But this does bring up an interesting point about feminist views on the subject...or at least feminist reaction to attempts to compare this or any other subjects affecting men and women.

Ostensibly, those objecting to male circumcision are right in that both are forced alterations done to the genitals of kids.....and this can open up the whole debate about feminist focus on issues from a female-only perspective. For example the statement "There are not enough girls going into STEM subjects" can be countered with "Well, there are an awful lot of boys not getting into STEM either....shouldn't we focus on across-the-board attainment?"  On forums this is known as "what about the menz".

It took me a long time actually to unpick this. As a socialist, I feel I don't have to worry too much about feminist issues because the goals of feminism all fall neatly under my big philosophical umbrella. Here Lenin speaks to the great Clara Zetkin (warrior) about socialist views on how Capitalism is the root cause of the subjugation of women:

https://www.marxists.org/archive/zetkin/1920/lenin/zetkin1.htm

So to me it seemed obvious that energetic feminism could be a good thing, but perhaps not the best use of resources. 

But digging deeper I finally found a really good article on just this. A feminist writer compared it all to a plane that needed refurbishment. The whole thing was a bit or a wreck really (Capitalism), but they (feminists), being unable to fix everything, choose to work on the wings. If someone else (men) want to work on the rudder or the engine....good...it is needed. But somebody has got to focus on the wings.

So bringing that back to FMG v. circumcision....yes we may very well have to rethink circumcision....but the feminist movement is working on the FMG bit. 

I just hope that more people will ignore the fatalism of the argument that we are beyond repair. We are not beyond repair. We are never beyond repair. - AOC


  • *
  • Posts: 6608

  • Liked: 1906
  • Joined: Sep 2015
Re: Why the difference between US and UK Circumcision Rates?
« Reply #18 on: August 24, 2016, 04:22:30 PM »
Thanks for that! I'm going to remember "what about the menz "


  • *
  • Posts: 4470

  • Liked: 971
  • Joined: Apr 2016
Re: Why the difference between US and UK Circumcision Rates?
« Reply #19 on: August 25, 2016, 03:02:03 AM »
Am I even correct in the assumption that there's s cultural difference between the US and the UK about this?
 

Having dated both, I can say there's definitely a cultural difference. American men don't think anything about not having a foreskin because that's how everyone is. The first UK gentleman apologized for it! He'd had a medical issue that resulted in circumcision as an adult. I guess he didn't realize it really wasn't an issue in the US, I surely wouldn't have said anything! (Also a strong believer in body acceptance, because we don't get a choice in so many things.) 

I also don't think doctors will start discouraging them here unless insurance stops covering it. I wish they would only do them in medically necessary situations.


  • *
  • Posts: 6608

  • Liked: 1906
  • Joined: Sep 2015
Re: Why the difference between US and UK Circumcision Rates?
« Reply #20 on: August 25, 2016, 10:43:56 AM »
I've actually been thinking about what's happening with this question and I'm going to give my opinion on the final result of that thread.  Original Creator of that other thread, you said you weren't interested in a debate and I respect that, so I didn't post anything in that thread.   If you aren't interested in my unsolicited opinion, that's fine just look away now.  If you or anyone else wish to tell me what you think of my opinion, that's what the Internet is for. 

I think it's insane that this kid could have his pecker cut up by some random stranger who is not even a doctor.  Maybe even without pain relief?  And for what?  To stop the possibility that maybe he could be made fun of in the future?  That's absolutely ridiculous.


  • *
  • Posts: 4174

  • Liked: 533
  • Joined: Jul 2005
Re: Why the difference between US and UK Circumcision Rates?
« Reply #21 on: August 25, 2016, 03:53:58 PM »
I think it's insane that this kid could have his pecker cut up by some random stranger who is not even a doctor. 

It's surgery! Surgery on the dining room table.

I just hope that more people will ignore the fatalism of the argument that we are beyond repair. We are not beyond repair. We are never beyond repair. - AOC


  • *
  • Posts: 6608

  • Liked: 1906
  • Joined: Sep 2015
Why the difference between US and UK Circumcision Rates?
« Reply #22 on: August 26, 2016, 10:08:12 AM »
And if it's done by a religious specialist as was suggested, the person with the knife doesn't even have the baby's or parents best interest as the top priority.  His top priority is meeting the requirements of that religion. 

In other circumstances, if I met a guy who said his life's calling is cutting baby dicks because God prefers them cut, I'd probably call the police, not hand him my son to have a go. 
« Last Edit: August 26, 2016, 10:18:35 AM by jimbocz »


Sponsored Links