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Redundancy/JSA
« on: January 08, 2017, 10:23:35 AM »
I am a UK/US citizen permanently resident in the UK since 1980.  I'm struggling to fullfill my obligation to file US income tax forms.  The company I worked for went bust, however, I did get some redundancy money from the UK redundancy scheme. I then signed-on and received Job Seekers Allowance for a few months before taking up self-employment.
Any advice on how to include the redundancy payment and the JSA on my 1040/2555 forms would be much appreciated.


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Re: Redundancy/JSA
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2017, 11:33:29 AM »
If you are a US citizen these items are taxable income for US tax purposes. You may well have excess foreign tax credits from up to the past 10 years which could help relieve you from any US liability.


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Re: Redundancy/JSA
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2017, 02:06:38 PM »
Include them as "other income". FYI neither is earned income and so you cannot include then in the FEIE....so use FTCs instead.


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Re: Redundancy/JSA
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2017, 03:13:02 PM »
....FYI neither is earned income.....

Not to be difficult, nun, but I would question this regards certain types of redundancy payment. I do agree it is taxable income for the US, although (within certain circumstances) the first £30,000 of redundancy is tax free in the UK.


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Re: Redundancy/JSA
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2017, 05:18:47 PM »
Not to be difficult, nun, but I would question this regards certain types of redundancy payment. I do agree it is taxable income for the US, although (within certain circumstances) the first £30,000 of redundancy is tax free in the UK.

Yes as soon as I posted I had second thoughts. The IRS classifies severance pay as earned income...........so does statutory UK redundancy qualify too?


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Re: Redundancy/JSA
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2017, 06:07:30 PM »
Yes as soon as I posted I had second thoughts. The IRS classifies severance pay as earned income...........so does statutory UK redundancy qualify too?

In my experience, yes.

I utilised a voluntary redundancy programme to facilitate early retirement. Payments included a redundancy payment, a loss of office payment, and an ex gratia payment. Of course, the term "redundancy" doesn't exist in the US.

Originally, the IRS argued the redundancy payment was a "golden parachute". The successful counter-arguments centred around severance programmes in the US at the time involving GM attempts to spin off Delco, and other auto company actions at the time. Delco claimed it would not survive unless older, union employees were let go and replaced with workers paid 1/2 the wages and fewer benefits. (If I remember correctly.) The workers who volunteered to leave were given severance packages based on the number of years of prior employment.

The IRS deemed the US severance packages as "earned income", taxable in full during the year the payment was made with no regard to the years of prior employment used to calculate the payment. Logical, since it would obviously stand a chance of bumping the taxpayers income up several tax brackets.

The successful argument was "redundancy" resulted in a "same" package. It was a rather complicated return. It's been almost 10 years ago, and I never heard another word.

I assume the tax experts would find a more substantial argument utilising sections of Title 26.

Obviously - YMMV.
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Re: Redundancy/JSA
« Reply #6 on: January 09, 2017, 05:18:42 AM »
My thanks for all your advice.

I'll include the redundancy payment in my FEIE.

How about the JSA? I'm minded to show that as "Other income". My standard deduction would easily cover it.

Any thoughts?


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Re: Redundancy/JSA
« Reply #7 on: January 09, 2017, 05:51:58 AM »
Oops just realised I can't use line 21 (Other income) because I use that line for the FEIE.

How about line 19 (Unemployment compensation)?

Or should I just include this on Form 2555?  Its not a large amount, few hundred quid.


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Re: Redundancy/JSA
« Reply #8 on: January 09, 2017, 02:11:00 PM »
Oops just realised I can't use line 21 (Other income) because I use that line for the FEIE.

How about line 19 (Unemployment compensation)?

Or should I just include this on Form 2555?  Its not a large amount, few hundred quid.

You can include multiple types of other income on line 21.

You should check if FTC wlll work better for you than FEIE.


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Re: Redundancy/JSA
« Reply #9 on: January 09, 2017, 02:36:22 PM »
I concur. It is questionable whether redundancy pay qualifies for the FEIE. 


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