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5 years in UK - SET (M) or Citizenship or BOTH? Confused!
« on: December 29, 2017, 05:31:33 PM »
Hi All,

I entered the UK on a 'Fiance Visa' on 05/11/12 and reapplied for leave to remain and further leave to remain, since. I've now been living in the UK full time for over 5 years and planned on applying for citizenship straight away.

My leave to remain ends on 17/03/18 so I need to get moving as the 6 month wait times are scaring me!

Here's my question:

Do i have to apply for ILR via SET(M) before applying for Citizenship or can I jump this step due to being a married partner?

Thanks!


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Re: 5 years in UK - SET (M) or Citizenship or BOTH? Confused!
« Reply #1 on: December 29, 2017, 05:53:56 PM »
Hi All,

I entered the UK on a 'Fiance Visa' on 05/11/12 and reapplied for leave to remain and further leave to remain, since. I've now been living in the UK full time for over 5 years and planned on applying for citizenship straight away.

My leave to remain ends on 17/03/18 so I need to get moving as the 6 month wait times are scaring me!

Here's my question:

Do i have to apply for ILR via SET(M) before applying for Citizenship or can I jump this step due to being a married partner?

Thanks!

ILR is required for citizenship.

You can apply for ILR 5 years after your first FLR(M) was GRANTED. If you apply by post and your current leave expires, your (current) leave is treated as continuing.
2004-2008: Student Visa
2008-2010: Tier 1 PSW
2010-2011: Tier 4
2011-2014: Tier 2
2013-2016: New Tier 2 (changed jobs)
16/12/15: SET (LR) successful! - It's been a long road...
12/05/16: Citizenship ceremony!


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Re: 5 years in UK - SET (M) or Citizenship or BOTH? Confused!
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2017, 08:53:05 PM »
You didn't think the Home Office would leave a little loophole out there so as to not collect its hefty ILR fee, didcha?

It's a huge moneyspinner for them, and one they like to cash in on.

Just for the sake of history (if anyone's interested), about ten years ago, a former HO caseworker active on another forum came up with a method for non-EU/EEA nationals married to British citizens to apply directly for UK citizenship without ever having been granted ILR.

At the time, the rules were written such that you needed to be "free from immigration control" first with x number years of residence before applying for citizenship. This was widely understood to mean to (1) be a Commonwealth citizen with right of abode, (2) a holder of ILR (UK rules) or (3) a holder of PR (EU/EEA rules).

The former caseworker reasoned that if you were out of the UK when you filed the application, you were technically free of immigration control. Based on that advice, quite a few people made the trek to UK diplomatic posts in Dublin or Paris or Brussels to file the paperwork and then came back to the UK for the application to reach the Home Office and their eventual ceremony. All this occurred without anyone applying for ILR first.

This loophole existed for up to a year before the HO caught on and characterised this as actively attempting to frustrate the naturalisation rules. Those who applied, provided they met the other requirements, received their citizenship. But the rules were tightened up so as to absolutely require ILR/PR/Right of Abode first.

Long story short, you need ILR. As someone married to a British citizen, you can then apply for citizenship the moment that ILR is granted, provided you meet all the other requirements. The no-ILR-loophole that sorta existed has now been closed due to (clever) abuse. All of which is a stern lesson from the HO to us that this is why we can't have nice things.

And they thank you kindly for your £2k+.
« Last Edit: December 29, 2017, 08:56:13 PM by london_lad »


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Re: 5 years in UK - SET (M) or Citizenship or BOTH? Confused!
« Reply #3 on: December 29, 2017, 08:56:04 PM »
And they thank you kindly for your £2k+.

Soon to be £3k+.  :/
9/1/2013 - "fiancée" (marriage) visa issued
4/6/2013 - married (certificate issued same-day)
5/6/2013 - FLR(M)#1 in person -- approved!
8/1/2016 - FLR(M)#2 by post -- approved!
8/5/2018 - ILR in person -- approved!
22/11/2018 - Citizenship (online, with NDRS+JCAP) -- approved!
14/12/2018 - I became a British citizen.  :)


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Re: 5 years in UK - SET (M) or Citizenship or BOTH? Confused!
« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2017, 09:01:06 PM »
Here's a link to that old method, if you're curious.

https://www.immigrationboards.com/general-uk-immigration-forum/ppron-naturalisation-method-t15217.html#p85607

REMEMBER, it's no longer valid. Like so many things UK-immigration-related, something relevant one moment is very much dead the next.


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Re: 5 years in UK - SET (M) or Citizenship or BOTH? Confused!
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2017, 12:46:37 AM »
It's a huge moneyspinner for them, and one they like to cash in on.

If, as you claim, it's a moneyspinner, then why are they trying to reduce net immigration numbers to "tens of thousands a year instead of the hundreds of thousands a year it is now"?


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