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Fiancé Visa to first FLR(M) help
« on: October 29, 2018, 10:07:52 AM »
Hi all, I arrived in the UK on a fiancé visa in August, and happily married at the end of September, and the time has come to prepare for our first FLR(M). Need a bit of assistance clearing things up (advance warning this first post will be massive) and i'll keep all my posts in the thread so no one gets lost, thanks in advance for the help!  :)

Checklist First (applying by post):

Applicant:
-FLR(M) Form (No appendix for flr(m) correct?)
-Printed receipt of IHS payment
-US Passport
-2x passport photos, full name on back

Sponsor:
-UK Passport (ok to send full passport or just stick with full photocopies of every page?)
-1x passport photo, full name on back
-Sponsor Letter

Financial Requirement (entirely provided by my wife/sponsor)
-6 full months of payslips
-6 full months of bank statements
-Signed letter from employer
-Job Contract
-Latest P60

Accommodation:
-mortgage agreement?
-My wife owns the house, i'm not actually sure what else to provide here, as most topics on this subject tend to be in a different situation. Advice here would be much appreciated!

Relationship:
-Marriage Certificate
-1 photo of us together; Should we provide a photo of us together before the wedding, or will just a wedding photo be fine?

Correspondence: Have a few questions for this section because of circumstances
-1 Council Tax bill (jointly addressed)
     
     My question here is that we have other bills jointly addressed, however, they are backdated from months before I arrived,. We we're attempting to get proof of address for our marriage registry so I was put onto our utility bill account (we asked for previous bills to be resent jointly addressed) and also a council tax bill from March which was resent by the council (jointly addressed, but has an issue date in August, after I arrived).
     The utility bills do not have an issue date, and are for well before I arrived, I'm guessing we cannot use these even though they are jointly addressed because we were not living together in the UK at the time. The council tax is also for well before I arrived in the UK, but has an issue date after I arrived, will we be able to use that as correspondence?


Definitely have more application questions and possibly a quick glance at my wife's sponsor letter if that alright, but i'll wait until after this is cleared up to avoid confusion, thanks again!
   





Fiancé Visa (non-priority)
Biometrics Appointment: April 17
Docs sent: April 17
Received at Sheffield: April 23
Decision email: July 18 (61 BD)
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Re: Fiancé Visa to first FLR(M) help
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2018, 10:32:41 AM »
Congratulations on your marriage :).

In regards to your questions about the documents:
- no, there's no appendix for FLR(M) - just the one form
- it's best to send a photocopy of every page of the sponsor's passport, rather than the actual passport (no need to send it off if it's not necessary)
- for the accommodation, you need your wife's Land Registry document.
- for the relationship evidence, a photo from the wedding is fine. It's not actually a requirement to send a photo, but we recommend it just in case
     
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My question here is that we have other bills jointly addressed, however, they are backdated from months before I arrived,. We we're attempting to get proof of address for our marriage registry so I was put onto our utility bill account (we asked for previous bills to be resent jointly addressed) and also a council tax bill from March which was resent by the council (jointly addressed, but has an issue date in August, after I arrived).
     The utility bills do not have an issue date, and are for well before I arrived, I'm guessing we cannot use these even though they are jointly addressed because we were not living together in the UK at the time. The council tax is also for well before I arrived in the UK, but has an issue date after I arrived, will we be able to use that as correspondence?

You can only use correspondence that has been issued since you arrived in the UK... because you are providing proof that you have lived together since the date you entered the UK, and that you were both in the same house at the same time.

So you can't provide bills that were issued before you arrived, because you weren't living together then... and it will complicate the application because they will be wondering how you could be living in the UK without a valid visa, and without actually being in the UK (also, you shouldn't have been added to any bills before you were living in the UK).

So, I would just provide any bills that have been issued since you arrived in August, plus any other mail you have both received since arriving (i.e. NHS letters, DVLA letters, bank statements), and then write a letter explaining that you don't have 6 documents each because you haven't lived together long enough to receive that many.

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Definitely have more application questions and possibly a quick glance at my wife's sponsor letter if that alright, but i'll wait until after this is cleared up to avoid confusion, thanks again!

You do not need to include a sponsor letter, so you don't need to worry about this.


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Re: Fiancé Visa to first FLR(M) help
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2018, 10:49:49 AM »
In regards to your documents checklist, I'm just going to add the things you need (and take out anything you don't need):

Applicant:
-FLR(M) Form
-Printed receipt of IHS payment
-US Passport
-2x passport photos, full name on back

Sponsor:
- full photocopy of every page of UK passport (including blank pages)
-1x passport photo, full name on back

Financial Requirement
-6 full months of payslips
-6 full months of bank statements
-Signed letter from employer
-Job Contract
-Latest P60

Accommodation:
- Land Registry document
Optional extra:
- latest annual mortgage statement

Relationship:
-Marriage Certificate
-1 photo of you together

Correspondence:
-1 Council Tax bill (jointly addressed)
- any other mail you have both received since August (and has been issued since August), including joint or separate mail
- a letter explaining why you can't provide 6 documents each   


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Re: Fiancé Visa to first FLR(M) help
« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2018, 10:06:51 AM »
Awesome! Thanks so much! I've got a few application questions as well if that's alright. I'll put my answers (and questions) under the questions in blue, any notes or corrections would be appreciated.

2.2 Is this the first time you have applied for a visa or extension of stay in one of the above categories (including previous leave granted as fiancé(e) or proposed civil partner) with your current sponsor?
     No. As i was granted leave to enter as a fiancé, just asking here to confirm this one is correct.

5.3 In what category were you granted permission to enter the UK?
     Leave to enter as a fiancé of a settled person.     

6.2 , 6.3 , 6.4 When did you first meet your sponsor, where, and when did your relationship begin?
     I kept these answers very short, just the two corresponding dates and where we met in london (same answers as on appendix 2 for the previous visa), are they expecting more specific answers or will this suffice?

6.7 When did you start living together as partners?
     I wrote the date I arrived in the UK. Just checking they don't mean as partners after our marriage date.

6.8 Add all addresses you and your sponsor have lived at preceding this application.
     This included our current permanent residence correct? I would just leave the "to" date blank?

6.9 If relevant, have you lived together permanently in the UK since your last grant of limited leave to remain as a partner?
     Irrelevant to me as I was granted leave to ENTER as a fiancé, so i would leave this blank, correct?

7.3 Category A
     Only my sponsor is employed, so all my boxes would be left blank correct?

9.15 Give details of the British Diplomatic post(s) involved if the application(s) was or were made abroad?
     This has to do with 9.12, asking whether i've had finger prints taken for a previous application, which I have for biometrics in the USA. However, there were no diplomatic posts involved, as it was a US Immigrations Services office. So i would just write "NONE" as the answer her correct?

10.13 How long have you lived in the UK?
     Just under 3 months. Probably over thinking this one.

10.14 Please state what ties you have with:
     -Country of birth, other country which nationality you hold, and country lived in more that 5 years
     - Tell them about family, friends, and other connections with that country

     The answer section here it's incredibly small, and in a grid which is odd. How specific do they want me to get here? I've got enough room to write USA on the "country" side, then on "social cultural or family ties" side i've got room for 4-8 very short answers. i.e Pat - Aunt

Thanks again for all your help, much appreciated.





Fiancé Visa (non-priority)
Biometrics Appointment: April 17
Docs sent: April 17
Received at Sheffield: April 23
Decision email: July 18 (61 BD)
Result: APPROVED!


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Re: Fiancé Visa to first FLR(M) help
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2018, 10:20:47 AM »
2.2 Is this the first time you have applied for a visa or extension of stay in one of the above categories (including previous leave granted as fiancé(e) or proposed civil partner) with your current sponsor?
     No. As i was granted leave to enter as a fiancé, just asking here to confirm this one is correct.

Correct - you answer no, because this is your second visa in this category (the first being the fiance visa).

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5.3 In what category were you granted permission to enter the UK?
     Leave to enter as a fiancé of a settled person.     

Yep, sounds good. You could also say: 'a settlement visa as the fiance of a person settled in the UK'

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6.2 , 6.3 , 6.4 When did you first meet your sponsor, where, and when did your relationship begin?
     I kept these answers very short, just the two corresponding dates and where we met in london (same answers as on appendix 2 for the previous visa), are they expecting more specific answers or will this suffice?

Should be fine.

6.2 - date you first met in person
6.3 - Location of your first meeting
6.4 - date you entered into a romantic relationship

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6.7 When did you start living together as partners?
     I wrote the date I arrived in the UK. Just checking they don't mean as partners after our marriage date.

That's fine, as they mean the date you first started living together. This question is mainly aimed at people applying for unmarried partner visas, where you have to prove you have lived together for 24 consecutive months before applying.

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6.8 Add all addresses you and your sponsor have lived at preceding this application.
     This included our current permanent residence correct? I would just leave the "to" date blank?

No, I believe you only include any addresses where you have lived together OTHER than your current address. So, if you have only lived together at one address (i.e. the address you gave in Section 1), then I think you leave this question blank.

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6.9 If relevant, have you lived together permanently in the UK since your last grant of limited leave to remain as a partner?
     Irrelevant to me as I was granted leave to ENTER as a fiancé, so i would leave this blank, correct?

Correct.

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7.3 Category A
     Only my sponsor is employed, so all my boxes would be left blank correct?

Correct.

In fact, even if you did work, if your sponsor meets the £18,600 requirement using their income alone, you would still leave all your boxes blank, as you would not need to include your income in the application.

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9.15 Give details of the British Diplomatic post(s) involved if the application(s) was or were made abroad?
     This has to do with 9.12, asking whether i've had finger prints taken for a previous application, which I have for biometrics in the USA. However, there were no diplomatic posts involved, as it was a US Immigrations Services office. So i would just write "NONE" as the answer her correct?

No, not correct. The diplomatic post is the consulate that issued your visa, so you HAVE to answer it.

You answer as follows:
9.12 - Yes
9.13 - date of US biometrics
9.14 - address of USCIS centre where you gave biometrics
9.15 - address of UKVI Sheffield where your visa was processed

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10.13 How long have you lived in the UK?
     Just under 3 months. Probably over thinking this one.

Put 3 months.

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10.14 Please state what ties you have with:
     -Country of birth, other country which nationality you hold, and country lived in more that 5 years
     - Tell them about family, friends, and other connections with that country

     The answer section here it's incredibly small, and in a grid which is odd. How specific do they want me to get here? I've got enough room to write USA on the "country" side, then on "social cultural or family ties" side i've got room for 4-8 very short answers. i.e Pat - Aunt

All they are looking for is something like:
USA - parents/sibling in X state
USA -  close friends in X state
USA - property owned in X state
USA - business owned in X state

Basically, they are looking to see whether, if your visa was refused, you would have something to go back to in the US.


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Re: Fiancé Visa to first FLR(M) help
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2018, 11:32:37 AM »
Awesome you've helped so much! Just wanted to ask about the correspondence letter. Since we won't have enough correspondence and will need to write the letter, does it generally need to be very specific or just essentially a longer version of "We've only been living together since early august and haven't had enough time to gather the necessary number of documents, jointly addressed or otherwise."

Are they somewhat lenient on this considering the fiancé visa is only a 6 months visa?
Fiancé Visa (non-priority)
Biometrics Appointment: April 17
Docs sent: April 17
Received at Sheffield: April 23
Decision email: July 18 (61 BD)
Result: APPROVED!


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Re: Fiancé Visa to first FLR(M) help
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2018, 12:15:54 PM »
Awesome you've helped so much! Just wanted to ask about the correspondence letter. Since we won't have enough correspondence and will need to write the letter, does it generally need to be very specific or just essentially a longer version of "We've only been living together since early august and haven't had enough time to gather the necessary number of documents, jointly addressed or otherwise."

Are they somewhat lenient on this considering the fiancé visa is only a 6 months visa?

I've never seen any examples of a letter about the correspondence, so I don't really know. But as per the instructions, you just have to:
"give an explanation on a separate sheet if you cannot provide six items; if the items are not addressed to both of you; or if they do not cover the period you are relying on."

It's perfectly normal for someone on a fiance visa not to have 6 documents yet, and many people are in the same situation as you. It's not a problem, you just need to explain it as instructed on the application form :).


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Re: Fiancé Visa to first FLR(M) help
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2018, 10:51:39 AM »
Hey, just wanted to give an update! Just received my approval letter in the mail today! Thanks so much for all the help with my application, I truly appreciate it, this forum is a lifesaver!

Timeline wise here are a few dates:

Application sent: Nov 09
Biometrics Appt: Nov 16
Application signed for: Nov 20
Approval Letter and supporting docs returned: Dec 20 (30 working days from date application was posted)
     -Letter is dated Dec 18 (28 working days from date application was posted)
Waiting on BRP but should be here within the next week.

Hope those timeline continues as the norm for a while, was much earlier than I expected! Best of luck to everyone and thanks again!

Fiancé Visa (non-priority)
Biometrics Appointment: April 17
Docs sent: April 17
Received at Sheffield: April 23
Decision email: July 18 (61 BD)
Result: APPROVED!


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Re: Fiancé Visa to first FLR(M) help
« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2018, 11:44:57 AM »
Hey, just wanted to give an update! Just received my approval letter in the mail today! Thanks so much for all the help with my application, I truly appreciate it, this forum is a lifesaver!

Timeline wise here are a few dates:

Application sent: Nov 09
Biometrics Appt: Nov 16
Application signed for: Nov 20
Approval Letter and supporting docs returned: Dec 20 (30 working days from date application was posted)
     -Letter is dated Dec 18 (28 working days from date application was posted)
Waiting on BRP but should be here within the next week.

Hope those timeline continues as the norm for a while, was much earlier than I expected! Best of luck to everyone and thanks again!

Congratulations!  :)


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