FLR(M) Quick Question(s)

Hi, just getting everything together for my wife's Spouse Visa extension/FLR(M) and a couple of questions have popped up. I've tried searching for the answers but can't seem to find the answers to these particular queries.

1. One of the questions on the online application is:
What family or friends do you have in the country where you were born and/or any other country whose nationality you hold?
Please provide details of these family and friends, for example, their names, relationship to you and where they live.

What is the norm here, she will list Mother, Father and son but she has a lot (a lot!) of aunts/uncles/cousins and a huge amount of friends, how many of these is it wise to add?

2. Although we've changed all the bank accounts and utility bills to joint names, one thing we never did was add my wife's name to the mortgage or land registry entry. Is this  going to be a problem , or do they just need to see that one of us owns the property and the bills/correspondence evidence is enough to prove we're living together?

3. 1 or 2 of you may remember the drama's we had regarding divorce papers. If we just provide exactly the same documentation we provided for the original spouse visa application that was approved are we ok to assume this will be ok this time, i.e. there's been no change of rules in the last 2.5 years?

Thanks  as always
Tim

Regarding the friends and family part we only listed four people. Both her parents, her Brother and one Aunt.  So it read like this: Joe Bloggs, Brother, City, State, USA. Joe and Jane Doe, Parents, City, State, USA etc. I felt this part was to see if they booted you out the country who you could live with

My wife, the applicant was also not listed on anything to do with the mortgage and it was fine. I just sent the Land Registry, Mortgage Staement and a Mortgage confirmation letter I had.

Issue 3 sounds right to me but I’ve not had experience with it.

1. I like KarlR's advice for your first question.  What he said.

2.  Most USC spouses are not on the mortgage because lenders don't trust us not to skip out on them (and the interest rate goes up a lot of a lender agrees to include the non-British partner).  It's not only okay that your wife isn't on your mortgage, it's the norm.

3.  There haven't been any rules changes in this regard, so if your documents worked 2.5 years ago, they should work this time.

Thanks for the replies (and sorry it's taken so long to say thanks, this application is coinciding with a mega-busy time at work).

This new online form is stressing me out a bit, a couple more queries now:

1. Have you ever been refused a visa for any country, including the UK?

We were going to say "No", but my wife was refused on her first application (we forgot to include divorce papers), we reapplied immediately and she was accepted very quickly, it all happened within a few weeks but I'm thinking it may be best to answer "Yes" and just give the explanation I've given here?

2. Is this the first time you have applied for a partner route, or an extension, with your current partner (including as a fiancé(e) or proposed civil partner)?

This answer is No isn't it? The original spouse visa would have been the first time she applied with her current partner (me).

3. Does Mr Timds have any other children in the UK that are not applying on this application?

This is the one that's stressing us. The inclusion of the word "other" is odd as there's no reference to children so far in the application. So, I have an adult son, who moved out into his own home in March this year. If I tick "Yes" here it asks me to list his nationality (British) and passport etc., not a problem with that. It then asks for details of their other parent. Even though he lived with me for the majority of his childhood, his mother exists, I can't tick "Not known", but his mother and I never married, so she isn't mentioned anywhere, so I think the only options are: "Partner not yet mentioned on this application" or "Non applying partner". However, if I tick either of those I then have additional boxes pop up requesting additional info. The first isn't a problem, giving her name address etc. but the other one asks me to provide evidence of her address i.e. utility bills. Now while his mother and I get on pretty well, she may draw the line at this and this does seem to be incredibly intrusive, especially considering he is an adult now living on his own, does anyone have any experience of this?

As always, we're incredibly grateful for the help and advice on this forum, we pick up as much from the advice given to others as well as the questions we ask directly, we're just hoping this is one that has been seen before!

Many thanks

Tim

Thanks for the replies (and sorry it's taken so long to say thanks, this application is coinciding with a mega-busy time at work).

This new online form is stressing me out a bit, a couple more queries now:

1. Have you ever been refused a visa for any country, including the UK?

We were going to say "No", but my wife was refused on her first application (we forgot to include divorce papers), we reapplied immediately and she was accepted very quickly, it all happened within a few weeks but I'm thinking it may be best to answer "Yes" and just give the explanation I've given here?

2. Is this the first time you have applied for a partner route, or an extension, with your current partner (including as a fiancé(e) or proposed civil partner)?

This answer is No isn't it? The original spouse visa would have been the first time she applied with her current partner (me).

3. Does Mr Timds have any other children in the UK that are not applying on this application?

This is the one that's stressing us. The inclusion of the word "other" is odd as there's no reference to children so far in the application. So, I have an adult son, who moved out into his own home in March this year. If I tick "Yes" here it asks me to list his nationality (British) and passport etc., not a problem with that. It then asks for details of their other parent. Even though he lived with me for the majority of his childhood, his mother exists, I can't tick "Not known", but his mother and I never married, so she isn't mentioned anywhere, so I think the only options are: "Partner not yet mentioned on this application" or "Non applying partner". However, if I tick either of those I then have additional boxes pop up requesting additional info. The first isn't a problem, giving her name address etc. but the other one asks me to provide evidence of her address i.e. utility bills. Now while his mother and I get on pretty well, she may draw the line at this and this does seem to be incredibly intrusive, especially considering he is an adult now living on his own, does anyone have any experience of this?

As always, we're incredibly grateful for the help and advice on this forum, we pick up as much from the advice given to others as well as the questions we ask directly, we're just hoping this is one that has been seen before!

Many thanks

Tim

1.  Say yes, and give the details.  Do not omit this.  It won't hurt you to include it, but it could look like deception to leave it out.

2.  Correct, this is not your first time to apply for a partner-route.

3.  I'm not 100% on this, but I think the fact that he's an adult means you tick "no"... he's not a child.  I think.

Hi jfkimberly,

Thanks for the quick response. I did think that too, but if you click "Yes", one of the options that appears on the next screen is their "Relationship Status", including "Married" as an option, so to me that's suggesting adult children are included in this, which makes it all the more odd that so much detail about the other parent is required. (sorry i didn't add this bit previously, I was just very aware that my post was getting very long!).

For 3., as far as I am aware, you do NOT list children over 18. I haven’t heard of anyone including adult children on their forms in recent years.

If you do list him, you will have to provide his passport, his birth certificate, evidence of where he lives, dated in the last 90 days, plus evidence from the other parent - which you do not want to have to do!


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Just wanted to ask if you select “No” to the “is this the first time you have applied for a partner route, or an extension” question,  does it then ask for the reason you’re applying?

On my FLRm I answered that question with a Yes - then selected the reason for the extension was “first application as a partner from within the UK” ?


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Hi, sorry for taking so long to wrap this one up, but our application was successful so thanks for the advice above, it's always useful, reassuring and gratefully received.

As advised we didn't reference my adult son at all. I was worried as he'd been listed on the original visa application back in 2016 because he still loved at home with us, but it seems to be ok to ignore them on subsequent applications if they've left.

Something to note for others, when we went along to Croydon for the biometrics it was "applicant only" through the front door. I don't know if this is permanent as it was just on a piece of paper sellotaped to the door, but other comments indicate this is now the norm. Luckily I'd gone through all the evidence we were supplying with my wife in the car before we went in as she'd left that bit of the application to me. I had put together far too much, probably about 10-12 bits of joint addressed stuff, expecting them to just take what they needed, but they just scanned the lot. It obviously didn't annoy them enough to reject the application but I'll make sure we whittle it down next time (for ILR).

Karl, to answer your question (apologies again, you've probably worked this out already by now) if you select "No" the subsequent question that pops up is "Please choose the reason you are applying for an extension, this includes if you are switching to a partner visa from another type." we selected "First extension as a partner (following an initial period of entry as a partner, or as a fiancé(e) or proposed civil partner of a settled person)" which is probably the most common scenario for those of us here in the forum.

Lastly, just a bit of advice specific to Croydon, if you aren't allowed in there isn't any shelter outside so make sure you have the car nearby if it's cold/wet and bring a good book, there isn't much to do in the immediate area and on the day we were there there was a group of drunks hanging around across the road. They didn't appear to be dangerous, just not nice and judging by the state of the bit of ground they were sitting on it's quite a regular spot for them.

Thanks again everyone.