We really don't need this guy Modly

Way to foment a mutiny.... 

In case you haven't followed this one, the USS Roosevelt, a carrier out of San Diego, was in the South Pacific when Covid-19 broke out. Note that the Captain's immediate superior, Rear Admiral Baker, was on board. As there was no inquiry made, there is no information about if the Captain went to the Admiral and was rebuffed (my bet), and then went up the chain and out to get help for his crew.  Someone leaked it to the SFC.  https://www.sfchronicle.com/nation/article/Capt-Crozier-The-man-who-risked-his-career-to-15179363.php

Here is the crew's sendoff of Captain Crozier after the Navy sacked him. 

And now some idiot civilian political hack does this (sorry if the formatting is wonky):

Acting Navy secretary blasts ousted aircraft carrier captain as 'stupid' in address to ship's crew
By Barbara Starr, Evan Perez and Ryan Browne, CNN

Updated 2:33 PM ET, Mon April 6, 2020
Acting Navy secretary blasts ousted captain as 'stupid'

(CNN)Acting Secretary of the Navy Thomas Modly blasted the now-ousted commander of the USS Theodore Roosevelt as "stupid" in an address to the ship's crew Monday morning, in remarks obtained by CNN. Modly told the crew that their former commander, Capt. Brett Crozier, was either "too naive or too stupid" to be in command or that he intentionally leaked to the media a memo in which he warned about coronavirus spreading aboard the aircraft carrier and urged action to save his sailors. The acting secretary also accused Crozier of committing a "betrayal" and creating a "big controversy" in Washington by disseminating the warning so widely among Navy officials.  "It was a betrayal. And I can tell you one other thing: because he did that he put it in the public's forum and it is now a big controversy in Washington, DC," Modly said, according to a transcript of remarks Modly made to the crew, copies of which have been provided to CNN by multiple Navy officials.

Crozier had written to Navy leadership flagging his concerns about the Roosevelt's crew of more than 4,000, alerting them to the challenges of trying to contain the disease aboard the ship and urgently requesting that sailors be allowed to quarantine on land.
"We are not at war. Sailors do not need to die. If we do not act now, we are failing to properly take care of our most trusted asset: our Sailors," Crozier wrote in a memo that three US defense officials confirmed to CNN.

'Too naive or too stupid'
As of Monday, 173 of the ship's crew have tested positive for coronavirus and 61% of the crew have been tested, according to a Navy official. Approximately 2,000 have been evacuated from the ship and moved ashore to Guam. The Navy had set a goal of moving 2,700 sailors ashore by Friday evening. In a statement about his remarks to the USS Theodore Roosevelt, Modly said he couldn't verify that transcripts of his remarks were accurate but added that "the spoken words were from the heart." "I stand by every word I said, even, regrettably any profanity that may have been used for emphasis," Modly's statement continued. "Anyone who has served on a Navy ship would understand. I ask, but don't expect, that people read them in their entirety." The acting secretary's comments are coming to light at a time when multiple defense officials tell CNN that there is such growing dismay at the highest ranks of the uniformed Navy over how Crozier was relieved of duty that many senior officers feel they cannot candidly speak about their views.

Modly relieved Crozier of duty late last week, citing loss of confidence and failure to adhere to the chain of command. Officials at the Pentagon are split about whether Crozier should have been relieved, but most feel the situation was badly handled and is now causing additional problems at an already difficult time.

In remarks that were piped over the vessel's PA system, Modly suggested Crozier leaked the memo on purpose or was "too naive or too stupid" to be in command if he didn't think that sending it to over 20 people would not result in it getting out to the public.
"If he didn't think, in my opinion, that this information wasn't going to get out to the public, in this day and information age that we live in, then he was either A, too naïve or too stupid to be a commanding officer of a ship like this," Modly said. "The alternative is that he did this on purpose." Modly went on to say it was a "betrayal of trust, with me, with his chain of command." Pentagon officials privately acknowledge, however, that Crozier may have exercised questionable judgement in sending an emotional message. They also express concern about how the firing was handled, the impact on crew morale and potential political involvement by the White House.
The Washington Post's David Ignatius reported that Modly told him he had fired Crozier in part out of concern that President Donald Trump might step into the case. "I didn't want to get into a decision where the President would feel that he had to intervene because the Navy couldn't be decisive," Modly said, according to the Post. Modly's use of the word "betrayal" is particularly loaded because saying an officer has betrayed the Navy is a court martial offense.

'I don't know how he survives this day'
One US official tells CNN that Modly did not want to wait for an investigation into the matter to be completed before firing Crozier, even though the Chief of Naval Operations, Adm. Mike Gilday wanted to pause and opposed the quick firing. Defense Secretary Mark Esper deferred the decision to Modly, who overruled Gilday. Gilday, who later publicly supported Modly in a brief statement, is expected to receive initial results Monday from the investigation into Crozier's alleged failure to notify his chain of command. Lawmakers reacted quickly to the reports of Modly's tirade. Rep. Elaine Luria, a Virginia Democrat and Navy veteran, tweeted that Esper "should immediately fire" the acting secretary. Virginia Democratic Sen. Tim Kaine said in a statement that Modly's comments were "completely inappropriate and beneath the office of the Secretary of the Navy....These dedicated sailors deserve better from their leadership." A defense official familiar with Modly's remarks also said that in his opinion, the acting secretary "should be fired. I don't know how he survives this day."

In contrast to the acting secretary's anger, Crozier's popularity with the ship's crew was on display in videos that went viral and showed sailors giving him a warm and loud send-off, clapping and chanting his name as he left the ship for the final time. Modly acknowledged Crozier's popularity with the crew in his remarks to the sailors. "I cannot control or attempt to change whatever anger you have with me for relieving your beloved CO," Modly said, using the slang for commanding officer. "I understand you may be angry with me for the rest of your lives."

Challenges for the Navy
The acting secretary also appeared aggrieved by the warm send-off Crozer received, accusing the former commanding officer of creating a public firestorm in Washington and Guam. "Think about that when you cheer the man off the ship who exposed you to that. I understand you love the guy. It's good that you love him. But you're not required to love him," Modly told the crew. Defense officials tell CNN that Trump, after being briefed, privately indicated to the Pentagon that he thought Crozier should be relieved of duty, but that he also supported doing an investigation.

Speaking to Jake Tapper on CNN's State of the Union on Sunday, Esper was asked if there should have been an investigation before Crozier was relieved of duty. The defense secretary said only that an investigation is ongoing and that Modly had lost trust and confidence in Crozier. On Monday, a Pentagon spokesman told CNN that, "Secretary Esper had made it clear he supported Modly's decision." Modly's actions now pose several challenges for the Navy. First, firing Crozier before a completed investigation, while not unprecedented, is problematic. Modly said he lost confidence in Crozier in part because he did not go to his immediate superior in the traditional chain of command to voice his worries. But Modly also told reporters that his own chief of staff had spoken to Crozier and encouraged him to contact their office directly if needed. As the civilian head of the Navy, Modly essentially okayed going outside the chain of command, one defense official with direct knowledge of the case told CNN.

"We are banging our heads against the wall over the chain of command issue and yet you give him a direct line to your office," the defense official said. The official also acknowledged Navy leadership did not anticipate the story would take on global proportions or that multiple videos taken by crew members would be circulated showing hundreds giving Crozier his rousing sendoff. The crew's emotional send-off for their former captain puts the Navy leadership in the delicate position of making sure it doesn't publicly criticize the crew, the defense official said. Modly also criticized Crozier for publicly detailing information about how the virus was impacting the ship. While he had previously acknowledged to reporters that he did not know if Croizer had leaked his memo to the media, Modly showed no such caution in his remarks to the crew. The acting Navy secretary essentially accused Crozier of going straight to news organizations and of painting himself as a "martyr CO, who wasn't getting the help he needed." He claimed he had no issue with the content of Crozier's memo, but with the fact that it became public.

"There is never a situation you should consider the media a part of your chain of command," Modly said. "Imagine if every other CO also believed the media was a proper channel to air grievances with their Chain of Command under difficult circumstances." A key issue for the investigation, the official said, is Crozier's relationship with his direct superior, Rear Admiral Stuart Baker, who was on the carrier as a senior commander overseeing several ships.

Top Navy military leadership has few options but to move ahead to project confident leadership to the rank and file after months of disarray at the most senior levels. Modly remains in an acting capacity and was not selected to be nominated to the position permanently. Former Navy Secretary Richard Spencer was fired and the nominee to replace him permanently, Kenneth Braithwaite, has not been confirmed by the Senate. Gilday himself was quickly brought in as chief of naval operations after the admiral nominated to the job stepped aside in an ethics controversy.

CNN's Jim Sciutto contributed to this report   https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/06/politics/uss-tr-crozier-modly/index.html

Way to foment a mutiny.... 

In case you haven't followed this one, the USS Roosevelt, a carrier out of San Diego, was in the South Pacific when Covid-19 broke out. Note that the Captain's immediate superior, Rear Admiral Baker, was on board. As there was no inquiry made, there is no information about if the Captain went to the Admiral and was rebuffed (my bet), and then went up the chain and out to get help for his crew.  Someone leaked it to the SFC.  https://www.sfchronicle.com/nation/article/Capt-Crozier-The-man-who-risked-his-career-to-15179363.php

Here is the crew's sendoff of Captain Crozier after the Navy sacked him. 

And now some idiot civilian political hack does this (sorry if the formatting is wonky):

Acting Navy secretary blasts ousted aircraft carrier captain as 'stupid' in address to ship's crew
By Barbara Starr, Evan Perez and Ryan Browne, CNN

Updated 2:33 PM ET, Mon April 6, 2020
Acting Navy secretary blasts ousted captain as 'stupid'

(CNN)Acting Secretary of the Navy Thomas Modly blasted the now-ousted commander of the USS Theodore Roosevelt as "stupid" in an address to the ship's crew Monday morning, in remarks obtained by CNN. Modly told the crew that their former commander, Capt. Brett Crozier, was either "too naive or too stupid" to be in command or that he intentionally leaked to the media a memo in which he warned about coronavirus spreading aboard the aircraft carrier and urged action to save his sailors. The acting secretary also accused Crozier of committing a "betrayal" and creating a "big controversy" in Washington by disseminating the warning so widely among Navy officials.  "It was a betrayal. And I can tell you one other thing: because he did that he put it in the public's forum and it is now a big controversy in Washington, DC," Modly said, according to a transcript of remarks Modly made to the crew, copies of which have been provided to CNN by multiple Navy officials.

Crozier had written to Navy leadership flagging his concerns about the Roosevelt's crew of more than 4,000, alerting them to the challenges of trying to contain the disease aboard the ship and urgently requesting that sailors be allowed to quarantine on land.
"We are not at war. Sailors do not need to die. If we do not act now, we are failing to properly take care of our most trusted asset: our Sailors," Crozier wrote in a memo that three US defense officials confirmed to CNN.

'Too naive or too stupid'
As of Monday, 173 of the ship's crew have tested positive for coronavirus and 61% of the crew have been tested, according to a Navy official. Approximately 2,000 have been evacuated from the ship and moved ashore to Guam. The Navy had set a goal of moving 2,700 sailors ashore by Friday evening. In a statement about his remarks to the USS Theodore Roosevelt, Modly said he couldn't verify that transcripts of his remarks were accurate but added that "the spoken words were from the heart." "I stand by every word I said, even, regrettably any profanity that may have been used for emphasis," Modly's statement continued. "Anyone who has served on a Navy ship would understand. I ask, but don't expect, that people read them in their entirety." The acting secretary's comments are coming to light at a time when multiple defense officials tell CNN that there is such growing dismay at the highest ranks of the uniformed Navy over how Crozier was relieved of duty that many senior officers feel they cannot candidly speak about their views.

Modly relieved Crozier of duty late last week, citing loss of confidence and failure to adhere to the chain of command. Officials at the Pentagon are split about whether Crozier should have been relieved, but most feel the situation was badly handled and is now causing additional problems at an already difficult time.

In remarks that were piped over the vessel's PA system, Modly suggested Crozier leaked the memo on purpose or was "too naive or too stupid" to be in command if he didn't think that sending it to over 20 people would not result in it getting out to the public.
"If he didn't think, in my opinion, that this information wasn't going to get out to the public, in this day and information age that we live in, then he was either A, too naïve or too stupid to be a commanding officer of a ship like this," Modly said. "The alternative is that he did this on purpose." Modly went on to say it was a "betrayal of trust, with me, with his chain of command." Pentagon officials privately acknowledge, however, that Crozier may have exercised questionable judgement in sending an emotional message. They also express concern about how the firing was handled, the impact on crew morale and potential political involvement by the White House.
The Washington Post's David Ignatius reported that Modly told him he had fired Crozier in part out of concern that President Donald Trump might step into the case. "I didn't want to get into a decision where the President would feel that he had to intervene because the Navy couldn't be decisive," Modly said, according to the Post. Modly's use of the word "betrayal" is particularly loaded because saying an officer has betrayed the Navy is a court martial offense.

'I don't know how he survives this day'
One US official tells CNN that Modly did not want to wait for an investigation into the matter to be completed before firing Crozier, even though the Chief of Naval Operations, Adm. Mike Gilday wanted to pause and opposed the quick firing. Defense Secretary Mark Esper deferred the decision to Modly, who overruled Gilday. Gilday, who later publicly supported Modly in a brief statement, is expected to receive initial results Monday from the investigation into Crozier's alleged failure to notify his chain of command. Lawmakers reacted quickly to the reports of Modly's tirade. Rep. Elaine Luria, a Virginia Democrat and Navy veteran, tweeted that Esper "should immediately fire" the acting secretary. Virginia Democratic Sen. Tim Kaine said in a statement that Modly's comments were "completely inappropriate and beneath the office of the Secretary of the Navy....These dedicated sailors deserve better from their leadership." A defense official familiar with Modly's remarks also said that in his opinion, the acting secretary "should be fired. I don't know how he survives this day."

In contrast to the acting secretary's anger, Crozier's popularity with the ship's crew was on display in videos that went viral and showed sailors giving him a warm and loud send-off, clapping and chanting his name as he left the ship for the final time. Modly acknowledged Crozier's popularity with the crew in his remarks to the sailors. "I cannot control or attempt to change whatever anger you have with me for relieving your beloved CO," Modly said, using the slang for commanding officer. "I understand you may be angry with me for the rest of your lives."

Challenges for the Navy
The acting secretary also appeared aggrieved by the warm send-off Crozer received, accusing the former commanding officer of creating a public firestorm in Washington and Guam. "Think about that when you cheer the man off the ship who exposed you to that. I understand you love the guy. It's good that you love him. But you're not required to love him," Modly told the crew. Defense officials tell CNN that Trump, after being briefed, privately indicated to the Pentagon that he thought Crozier should be relieved of duty, but that he also supported doing an investigation.

Speaking to Jake Tapper on CNN's State of the Union on Sunday, Esper was asked if there should have been an investigation before Crozier was relieved of duty. The defense secretary said only that an investigation is ongoing and that Modly had lost trust and confidence in Crozier. On Monday, a Pentagon spokesman told CNN that, "Secretary Esper had made it clear he supported Modly's decision." Modly's actions now pose several challenges for the Navy. First, firing Crozier before a completed investigation, while not unprecedented, is problematic. Modly said he lost confidence in Crozier in part because he did not go to his immediate superior in the traditional chain of command to voice his worries. But Modly also told reporters that his own chief of staff had spoken to Crozier and encouraged him to contact their office directly if needed. As the civilian head of the Navy, Modly essentially okayed going outside the chain of command, one defense official with direct knowledge of the case told CNN.

"We are banging our heads against the wall over the chain of command issue and yet you give him a direct line to your office," the defense official said. The official also acknowledged Navy leadership did not anticipate the story would take on global proportions or that multiple videos taken by crew members would be circulated showing hundreds giving Crozier his rousing sendoff. The crew's emotional send-off for their former captain puts the Navy leadership in the delicate position of making sure it doesn't publicly criticize the crew, the defense official said. Modly also criticized Crozier for publicly detailing information about how the virus was impacting the ship. While he had previously acknowledged to reporters that he did not know if Croizer had leaked his memo to the media, Modly showed no such caution in his remarks to the crew. The acting Navy secretary essentially accused Crozier of going straight to news organizations and of painting himself as a "martyr CO, who wasn't getting the help he needed." He claimed he had no issue with the content of Crozier's memo, but with the fact that it became public.

"There is never a situation you should consider the media a part of your chain of command," Modly said. "Imagine if every other CO also believed the media was a proper channel to air grievances with their Chain of Command under difficult circumstances." A key issue for the investigation, the official said, is Crozier's relationship with his direct superior, Rear Admiral Stuart Baker, who was on the carrier as a senior commander overseeing several ships.

Top Navy military leadership has few options but to move ahead to project confident leadership to the rank and file after months of disarray at the most senior levels. Modly remains in an acting capacity and was not selected to be nominated to the position permanently. Former Navy Secretary Richard Spencer was fired and the nominee to replace him permanently, Kenneth Braithwaite, has not been confirmed by the Senate. Gilday himself was quickly brought in as chief of naval operations after the admiral nominated to the job stepped aside in an ethics controversy.

CNN's Jim Sciutto contributed to this report   https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/06/politics/uss-tr-crozier-modly/index.html

My ex husband is currently on CVN69.  His coworker is on the Roosevelt. My ex husband is a retired Navy Chief, 23 year veteran of the submarine service. He has been deployed on every carrier in our fleet, every year, for the past 10 years. These are his ships.

My first thought was similar to yours but... the Captain had several other options that did not endanger or compromise the ships opsec.

After reviewing the supplied information, I agree he was reckless and acted inappropriately. He went outside of operational procedure. He didn't exhaust all of his options and this was not his only option of saving his crew.



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https://www.quora.com/Why-was-Captain-Brett-Crozier-relieved-of-his-duty-Why-was-there-a-loss-of-trust-There-were-COVID-19-cases-found-on-board-Whats-the-issue/answer/William-Toti?ch=1&share=946440bf&srid=umpT9

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I was an officer in the US Air Force. The first thing they taught me was 'take care of your people'. While I'm sure there may have been other ways to deal with this situation, I have more confidence in CAPT Crozier's judgement than I do of Navy leadership that's spent the last few years proscecuting and relieving captains and junior officers instead of addressing fundamental problems in their culture.

https://warontherocks.com/2020/04/the-navys-crisis-of-special-trust-and-confidence/

...a transcript and audio emerged of Acting Secretary Modly’s remarks to the crew of the Theodore Roosevelt during a visit to the ship in Guam.  In his remarks, which have not been acknowledged by the Navy as official, Modly says that Crozier was either “too naïve or too stupid” to command the ship if he did not think that the information in the letter would become public. (A sailor can be heard vocally reacting to this assertion in the audio). He also declared that Crozier betrayed the trust between the commanding officer and the chain of command, and he asserted that the letter contained sensitive information about the material readiness of the ship.

Regardless of the merits of to whom or how Crozier’s letter was sent, Modly’s remarks do not reflect credit on his leadership. Leadership and command sometimes involve making unpopular decisions, including choices to remove or discipline those who work for you. But the instinct to insult and lash out at the commanding officer who had been fired, and who tested positive for COVID-19 and was in quarantine even as Modly delivered his remarks revealed the vindictiveness behind his decision. His remarks are likely to deepen any mistrust created by Crozier’s firing, and reinforce the notion that the choice to do so was based on retribution, not judgment. Modly’s words and actions have made the crisis of trust and confidence in Navy leadership more acute.

I don't know anything about the military or what's expected of Navy officers.  So I don't have an opinion. 

However, thank you Tami for pointing out that there is at least a credible argument for the other side. 

Ok, so... the "facts" (which are always suspect when coming from a news source):

Capt. Crozier has a very good, solid career history.

Capt. Crozier fired off an email with a large cc list on an unsecured channel.( Either he hit the cc by accident or it was deliberate. We don't know. I've seen the cc'd number to be as low as 12 to as high as 40.)

The letter was leaked by someone in that chain.

Capt. Crozier was summarily fired without an inquiry. 

His immediate superior was onboard.

A pseudo-fact:  He was supposedly given tacit permission from Modly's people to jump the chain if necessary. "But Modly also told reporters that his own chief of staff had spoken to Crozier and encouraged him to contact their office directly if needed. As the civilian head of the Navy, Modly essentially okayed going outside the chain of command, one defense official with direct knowledge of the case told CNN."

Modly accused him of leaking the letter without proof he did so.

Modly delivered a blistering speech over the carrier's intercom that was insulting to both the ex-Captain and also the crew. (The crew, it should be pointed out, are volunteer sailors doing a difficult job. There is no national conscription.)

I have no problem with Capt. Crozier being relieved of duty pending the results of an impartial board of inquiry.

I do have a problem with the subtle and not-so-subtle character assassination of Capt. Crozier by the author of the Quora piece. Berating him for not having the crew keep social distance - on a carrier, where you sleep a couple of feet away from the next guy in a room full of berths? Really?


My take is:  that his immediate superior said "no dice" so he went with his chosen option, or some other - which hasn't been made public yet - because he believed his people were in immediate danger and the ineptitude of the upper administration (which is legendary) is such that he had no faith in them. That is, he felt he had exercised all the "other options" to no avail. (All the foregoing is, of course, conjecture in the absence of facts. I believe Theodore Roosevelt did something roughly equivalent, in his day.) In effect,  it looks very much as if Capt. Crozier fell on his sword to protect his people.

In NO way does that give Modly justification for going onto the ship's intercom to berate the ex-Captain and basically call him a traitor, nor to insult the crew. Which he did. Does Modly seriously think that in this day and age people are not going to forward videos and audios of every freaking thing that happens anywhere?

There should be a board of inquiry to sort this out - preferably a non-biased one, but I'm not sure that's possible to get.  Trump will probably weigh in and do something stupid, without the inquiry - especially if appears that the results of the investigation would be damaging to the Navy. The upper admin of the Navy is already not necessarily held in high regard by the lower levels and their families, for good reasons.

This was handled incredibly badly, and the Navy upper admin now reeks publicly. Had Modly just kept his mouth shut, convened the inquiry, and let it run it's course, it would have sunk into oblivion. He's done tremendous damage - probably way more than Capt. Crozier did.

I also have associations with the Navy, Navy wives, and have other friends who have people deployed on the ships. I also have had lifer Army and Marine Corps in my family, for that matter. I am familiar with chain-of-command concept. I am also passingly familiar with the politics, cronyism, and ineptitude of a segment of all of the branches of the military - especially at those points where it passes into civilian control. (No, not every person involved is an incompetent buffoon or a grubbing political hack, but there are enough of them to be dangerous. That exists in every military service around the world - it's an inherent organizational flaw.) Given that, I have to believe the situation Capt. Crozier was in, considering his prior record and his understanding of what this would do to his career, was extraordinary and that we are not privy to the whole picture. Nor are we likely ever to be.

And I still maintain that Modly should be fired for his incompetence. He's already apologized, but he's done the damage and that cannot be undone.

https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/491388-the-courage-of-navy-captain-brett-crozier

According to a Navy statement, the TR's mission was to sail to the Indo-Pacific region to 'provide maritime security, maintain freedom of the seas in accordance with international law and customs, and operate with international partners and allies to promote regional stability and prosperity.' So when we're talking about whether or not CAPT Crozier's proposed plan would have compromised national security, that's the mission that would not have been accomplished.

The TR has more than 4,000 sailors on board. I don't know the infection rate for COVID-19, but according to the San Francisco Chronicle from the 31st of March there were over 100 sailors infected. CAPT Crozier needed to weigh the importance of his mission against the welfare of his crew. To put it bluntly, how many dead sailors are worth projecting power in the Indo-Pacific?

As for the 'he went outside his chain of command' argument, that's the kind of bullshit senior leaders always trot out whenever they get caught doing something shitty or stupid. Trump, Esper, Modly, et. al., could give a sh1t about the crew of the TR. They're just mad because in the middle of fcuking up America's response to COVID-19, a Navy captain exposed even more of their uncaring and incompetent behavior.

And.... he’s now reassigned.


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Just when you think the Trump administration has gotten as incompetent as it is possible to be, some moron goes just that little bit further.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/07/politics/modly-resign-crozier-esper-trump/index.html

Just when you think the Trump administration has gotten as incompetent as it is possible to be, some moron goes just that little bit further.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/07/politics/modly-resign-crozier-esper-trump/index.html

  My favorite part of the article:

"I had no role in it. The whole thing was very unfortunate," Trump said.

Except for actually being the commander of all those involved, he had nothing to do with it. 

Here is a good article in The New Yorker.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/a-very-trumpian-response-to-the-uss-theodore-roosevelt-controversy

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