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Re: ILR 2024 changes
« Reply #15 on: December 05, 2023, 10:57:34 AM »
You would think with the changes they are making they would go into it in greater detail, but there are so many unanswered questions.


Typical Tory Government. I don't think there's been any indication of further info on this. Maybe we will know more at PMQs on Wednesday.


I'm going to get my ILR case submitted in the new year, regardless. The process is difficult as it is and we don't need it to be made more difficult.
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Re: ILR 2024 changes
« Reply #16 on: December 05, 2023, 01:06:46 PM »
I’m just reading the news articles and an increase to £38,700 is ridiculous.

The 2023 average UK salary for full-time workers is only £34,963, so how on earth is the average person supposed to qualify to sponsor a visa?!

I’m a scientist with 2 masters-level degrees, and I have been in my current civil service job for 13 years, yet my base salary does not meet this new requirement. Even if I get the promotion I’ve just applied for, I would still be a few hundred pounds short of the requirement. Not even the scientists with PhDs who work in my government department would be able to meet this new income requirement to sponsor a spousal visa !


This new requirement is beyond bonkers.  There are so many parts of the country where that salary would never happen. 
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Re: ILR 2024 changes
« Reply #17 on: December 05, 2023, 03:08:18 PM »
This new requirement is beyond bonkers.  There are so many parts of the country where that salary would never happen.

Exactly. I keep thinking they must have decided this using London salaries or something. It's ridiculous that I'm relatively financially comfortable compared to an enormous subset of the UK population, similarly to the other poster here I have 2 STEM degrees from Russel Group unis and 5+ years' work experience in a specialized industry involved in safety-critical and Defence work, and I live in the South - and I only barely make more than the threshold. Not to mention the massive immigration health surcharge hike. Thankfully the next time we apply for my wife's visa it will be for ILR which doesn't require the health surcharge (correct me if I'm wrong anyone?)... but I'm absolutely outraged on behalf of everyone who will have to pay it. If this had happened just a year ago we wouldn't have made it by and we'd be either living in separate countries or have left the UK entirely by now.

What this policy does is price out a majority of the British population from ever marrying someone from abroad. It feels straight up evil.

I want to encourage you all to write to your MPs. I know I am. Probably several letters and emails over the coming months.


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Re: ILR 2024 changes
« Reply #18 on: December 05, 2023, 05:43:36 PM »
Exactly. I keep thinking they must have decided this using London salaries or something. It's ridiculous that I'm relatively financially comfortable compared to an enormous subset of the UK population, similarly to the other poster here I have 2 STEM degrees from Russel Group unis and 5+ years' work experience in a specialized industry involved in safety-critical and Defence work, and I live in the South - and I only barely make more than the threshold. Not to mention the massive immigration health surcharge hike. Thankfully the next time we apply for my wife's visa it will be for ILR which doesn't require the health surcharge (correct me if I'm wrong anyone?)... but I'm absolutely outraged on behalf of everyone who will have to pay it. If this had happened just a year ago we wouldn't have made it by and we'd be either living in separate countries or have left the UK entirely by now.

What this policy does is price out a majority of the British population from ever marrying someone from abroad. It feels straight-up evil.

I want to encourage you all to write to your MPs. I know I am. Probably several letters and emails over the coming months.


As it stands, no IHS payment is needed for ILR.


With this calamitous and out-of-control government things can change hourly. This move from them smells of desperation as they know they need to do something to get the public back on their side. I don't see how this does that.


I was listening to LBC radio earlier and an old man was mentioning he will need to take a loan out on order to call his other half over or something along those lines. The genuine fear & sadness could be felt in his voice.


I just hope the outrage of this makes them reconsider these preposterous changes they've imposed.
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Re: ILR 2024 changes
« Reply #19 on: December 05, 2023, 06:52:34 PM »
I've come across this article that is going around on the internet.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/downing-street-james-cleverly-prime-minister-gavin-barwell-people-b1124932.html

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The Prime Minister’s spokesman said that while the minimum income rules for family visas will not apply retrospectively, they will apply when existing visas for foreign spouses come up for renewal.


24hrs have passed and yet there's no clarification on these 5 points. A government in chaos!
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Re: ILR 2024 changes
« Reply #20 on: December 05, 2023, 07:08:45 PM »
This seems to by why-

"The government will also increase the minimum income required for British citizens and those settled in the UK who want their family members to join them. Altogether this reinforces that all those who want to work and live here must be able to support themselves, are contributing to the economy, and are not burdening the state."
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/home-secretary-unveils-plan-to-cut-net-migration

I've just been reading that a figure of 45k was suggested and also 40k


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Re: ILR 2024 changes
« Reply #21 on: December 05, 2023, 10:17:04 PM »
This is so awful.  Getting my IRL app in this weekend!  I worry for those who aren't due for their IRL until later though.  This is absolutely going to destroy a lot of families.

Unfortunately my MP is Peter Bone so not sure writing will do much good. 

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Re: ILR 2024 changes
« Reply #22 on: December 06, 2023, 12:37:15 AM »
Personally, I think initially setting the threshold at £38,700 for family visas is just a bargaining tactic. This way when the government finally gives in to pressure to reduce it something much more reasonable like £26,000, it will make them look like they're being extremely generous  ::) They know that if they set it initially at £26,000 they would still receive significant pushback, even at that much lower amount.

However, if they really do manage to set it at £38,700 AND they apply it to those already on the family route i.e. applying for an extension or ILR, that is definitely going to cause chaos.

If such a situation were to occur, I am only one year off from applying for ILR. Currently, both my partner and I are in full time employment and fortunately our combined salaries easily surpass the new £38,700 threshold. However, if one of us were to lose our job before I apply for ILR, that could certainly cause me some very serious issues, as neither of our salaries alone are anywhere near high enough  :o
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Re: ILR 2024 changes
« Reply #23 on: December 06, 2023, 03:53:58 PM »
Personally, I think initially setting the threshold at £38,700 for family visas is just a bargaining tactic. This way when the government finally gives in to pressure to reduce it something much more reasonable like £26,000, it will make them look like they're being extremely generous  ::) They know that if they set it initially at £26,000 they would still receive significant pushback, even at that much lower amount.

Sky reported that Labour has stated that they will not oppose these immigration changes.

However, if they really do manage to set it at £38,700 AND they apply it to those already on the family route i.e. applying for an extension or ILR, that is definitely going to cause chaos.

If such a situation were to occur, I am only one year off from applying for ILR. Currently, both my partner and I are in full time employment and fortunately our combined salaries easily surpass the new £38,700 threshold. However, if one of us were to lose our job before I apply for ILR, that could certainly cause me some very serious issues, as neither of our salaries alone are anywhere near high enough  :o

From April, two working full-time on only the minimum hourly wage, is £57.108.48pa


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Re: ILR 2024 changes
« Reply #24 on: December 06, 2023, 04:24:10 PM »
Sky reported that Labour has stated that they will not oppose these immigration changes.

I can't seem to find an article where they say that in my googling - can you share a link?

All I can find is Yvette Cooper warning it will "lead to a big increase in rushed marriages".


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Re: ILR 2024 changes
« Reply #25 on: December 06, 2023, 07:02:37 PM »
I can't seem to find an article where they say that in my googling - can you share a link?

Did you try looking on the Sky site? It was an article on their website on the day these changes were announced.  That Sky article was also reported on immigrationboards.com; you can also use their search engine to find that post to find the article.

All I can find is Yvette Cooper warning it will "lead to a big increase in rushed marriages".

 ;D She will know that there is always a last minute rush when easy/abused routes to the UK are closed down because that happens all the time.

Any future changes (not just immigration) are always on the gov.uk site for everyone to read. Sometimes the UK gives notice they are changing visas to the UK and other times they just close that route to stop further abuse of that visa.

I think that the UK gave notice before of the income requirement of 18.6 to sponsor a partner? @ksand24 will likely know.

The law to bring in the Immigration Health Surcharge for those who use the UK immigration routes (the EU said the UK still had to give free healthcare to those on their routes in the UK) had years notice of that charge as a Bill had to go back and forth through Parliament and the Lords to become law. Even when that Bill got Royal Accent and became the Immigration Act 2014, the IHS didn’t start until 6 April 2015.


The latest I saw before this latest announcement of changes, was the UK recently giving notice that those on Student visas will not be able to bring their dependants with them on course starting from 1 January 2024, unless they are on a PhD or other doctorate RQF level 8, or a research-based higher degree. Some universities then quickly started courses in November and December this year, with papers reporting in some countries that people were paying thousands to agents to try to get a Student visa on a course before that date.

Not that a Student visa leads to ILR. The UK has already had to close abuse on the Student visas before, to stop these who can't find a work/partner sponsor, from remaining in the UK. That includes the new agreement with India to take back their overstaying citizens, many of whom arrived on a Student visa and then couldn’t find a work sponsor, or who were trying to claim their child born in the UK is stateless as they decided not to register them as an Indian citizen.

The Tier 1 (General) visa that was meant to be for those that were highly skilled, was closed without warning when many were found to be not highly skilled at anything much and couldn't earn 35K(?) :in any job as they didn’t need a work sponsor; to renew their visa. Some then left the UK, some found a partner to sponsor them; some lied on the applications by claiming they were also self employed as well as employed to make the 35k (and some even got that renewal) but were removed at a later date for deception.

The Tier 2 (Intra-Company Transfer) visa:  the UK also gave notice,that those who applied for that visa from 6 April 2010 would not be able to have ILR after 5 years. That those who applied before 6 April 11, could get ILR after 10 years but only if they stayed with that same sponsor.

The Investor visa was closed without warning. The Entrepreneur visa was closed and replaced with a visa for those who would bring something new to the UK.
Etc,
etc

The two routes to stop the open door immigration to the UK, were also given notice to allow those who couldn’t find a work sponsor to get to the UK, to still get to the UK before that closing date.
1.The Immigration Act 1971 was brought in to end Commonwealth citizens moving to the UK, unless they have the skills for a visa or marry somebody who will sponsor them.
2. That same Immigration Act 1971 also ended the EU routes to the UK; for EEA citizens and non-EEA citizens on various EU routes; unless they can get a skills visa or marry somebody who will can sponsor them.

There will always be changes.
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Re: ILR 2024 changes
« Reply #26 on: December 06, 2023, 09:05:09 PM »
I think that the UK gave notice before of the income requirement of 18.6 to sponsor a partner? @ksand24 will likely know.

Yes, in July 2011, the government launched a public consultation on a set of proposals to the family migration route, and in November 2011, the MAC review which advised a minimum income amount of £18,600 was published.(https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a7c3ce8e5274a2041cf2a6a/family-migration-route.pdf)... so we were aware of the possibility of it happening about a year in advance.

Then, it looks like a letter stating the proposed changes was leaked in March 2012 (https://www.visalogic.net/news/2012/3/2094/uk-spouse-visa-changes-revealed-in-leaked-letter)... so even though it wasn't official yet, a lot of people decided to move up their wedding/spousal visa/FLR visa plans in order to apply before any changes were implemented.

The Family Migration: Statement of Intent was published on 11th June 2012 (https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a7c4334ed915d7d70d1daba/soi-fam-mig.pdf) ... 4 weeks before the new rules came into effect on 9th July 2012, so there was an extra rush of applications in at this point too.

It was during this time that the FLR(M) processing times increased to as long as 10-13 months, due to the large influx of applications, on top of the fact that UKVI had cut a lot of jobs in April 2012 (despite knowing that the rules were changing soon and there would likely be a lot of applications to deal with).

It was a crazy time, especially as back then you had to submit your actual passport for the entirety of the visa processing time (this was before BRP cards, so the visa was issued as a sticker in the passport)... and people were understandably anxious about not having their passport for so long.


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Re: ILR 2024 changes
« Reply #27 on: December 07, 2023, 02:58:34 PM »
I can't seem to find an article where they say that in my googling - can you share a link?

All I can find is Yvette Cooper warning it will "lead to a big increase in rushed marriages".

Did you try looking on the Sky site? It was an article on their website on the day these changes were announced.  That Sky article was also reported on immigrationboards.com; you can also use their search engine to find that post to find the article

I've just searched for the Sky article; here is the quote and link-

From Yvette Cooper
"She pointed out that Labour had called for the scrapping of the 20% discount to shortage occupation lists previously.

Sky News understands that Labour is not planning to object to any of the measures announced today, if they require a vote in parliament."

https://news.sky.com/story/tougher-visa-rules-for-foreign-workers-including-ban-on-bringing-families-and-raising-minimum-salary-requirement-13022936

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Re: ILR 2024 changes
« Reply #28 on: December 07, 2023, 11:54:08 PM »
I just saw this article shared on reddit. Looks like they've backtracked a little on what they originally said

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/people-downing-street-prime-minister-government-b1125577.html
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Re: ILR 2024 changes
« Reply #29 on: December 08, 2023, 06:35:13 AM »
All very stressful. My heart  breaks for those that this affects. ugh we would have been ruined by this decision if it had happened a few years ago

Has there been any discussion of the change on savings requirements and also for ILR? I haven't seen any


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