ILR 2024 changes

All very stressful. My heart  breaks for those that this affects. ugh we would have been ruined by this decision if it had happened a few years ago

Has there been any discussion of the change on savings requirements and also for ILR? I haven't seen any

I’ve been skimming through articles this morning and haven’t seen mention of it. Seems there’s still a lot of unknowns.

I did my biometrics for ILR four weeks ago so we’re just waiting on an answer. This has still kept me up at night even though it doesn’t seem we’ll be affected. My heart really goes out to those who were looking to apply or re-apply starting in the spring. Hopefully they’ll roll back these proposed changes.

My MP is still getting an angry letter. Not that it’ll do much good considering his politics, but I think it’ll be therapeutic at least!

I've been working on a letter to my MP, and also submitting a foi request for the equality impact assessment. In support groups many have rightly raised that this will mean many LGBTQ couples will have no safe country to live in, along with the government's plans to overhaul disability benefits and get people back to work - but disabled people are unlikely to earn £38700, as are those only able to work part time.  The current fee structure already discriminates against young lone  parents (because their spouse is overseas) as well.

In 2012 the economic impact assessment stated the government must do its own evaluation of the non-financial impacts, and it doesn't seem like that was done fully - they simply stated that indirect discrimination was permissible as means to achieving a legitimate aim. Given the significant wage disparities that are well documented on the basis of protected characteristics (age, gender, most non-white ethnicities, disability, and it's less well documented but sexual orientation also has a wage gap) there will be direct discrimination if this goes through as currently described.

And before someone chimes in that certain benefit recipients will be exempt - many disabled people do not claim benefits because the process itself would be too taxing on their mental health and they are able to work, at least part time, to cover their living expenses. The proposal is just beyond cruel given that even professionals like PhD's and junior doctors and nurses wouldn't qualify on their income.

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The government have made it clear why there is having to be an increase

The government will also increase the minimum income required for British citizens and those settled in the UK who want their family members to join them. Altogether this reinforces that all those who want to work and live here must be able to support themselves, are contributing to the economy, and are not burdening the state

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/home-secretary-unveils-plan-to-cut-net-migration

Abuse on any visa will get the rules changed.

In 2012 the economic impact assessment stated the government must do its own evaluation of the non-financial impacts, ...

"There's actually no right to family life in the UK."
https://freemovement.org.uk/article-8-right-to-family-life-in-the-uk/

That article was written before the UK stopped migrants using EU's Free Movement to the UK.

I am actually just about to renew my family visa, and I am not even sure how it affects me.   I am assuming since I am now in the UK that my income is considered.  So between my husband and I we meet the requirement.  Fingers crossed anyway. 

Do you know when this new requirement is effective ?

I am actually just about to renew my family visa, and I am not even sure how it affects me.   I am assuming since I am now in the UK that my income is considered.  So between my husband and I we meet the requirement.  Fingers crossed anyway. 

Do you know when this new requirement is effective ?

They've said "spring" so nothing has changed just yet. But yes, both incomes can be combined once you're living in the UK. Unfortunately the proposed changes mean quite a few people changing their plans to have children in case they need to meet the new requirement on renewal.

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I am actually just about to renew my family visa, and I am not even sure how it affects me.   I am assuming since I am now in the UK that my income is considered.  So between my husband and I we meet the requirement.  Fingers crossed anyway. 

Do you know when this new requirement is effective ?

 

If you are both working then any changes won't affect you.

Unfortunately the proposed changes mean quite a few people changing their plans to have children in case they need to meet the new requirement on renewal.

Women still work when they have children. This isn't the 1950s

I am actually just about to renew my family visa, and I am not even sure how it affects me.   I am assuming since I am now in the UK that my income is considered.  So between my husband and I we meet the requirement.  Fingers crossed anyway. 

Do you know when this new requirement is effective ?

Yes, if both you and your husband are currently working in the UK, you can use both of your incomes to meet any new requirement.

As to when this new requirement is effective, that is anybodies guess, as this current government is completely clueless. There has some been some mention of spring 2024 as to when a possible change could actually occur, but there is still a long way to go.

Firstly, there may not even be a change in minimum income requirement for the foreseeable future, it could stay at £18,600 (although at some stage it would certainly need to rise).

Secondly, even if there is an increase soon, it could be to a much lower amount such as £26,000.

Thirdly, the government has specifically stated that they have yet to make a decision as to whether any increase will be retrospectively applied to those already on the 5 year route i.e. those that will either be applying for an extension or ILR. They have stated that this is something that they will be looking at but haven't come to yet. Like I said, they are clueless, they should never have made any kind of announcement without thinking things through. First they said it wouldn't be applied retrospectively, then they said it would be, now they say they don't know 

As has been stated earlier in this thread, when the £18,600 income requirement was introduced in 2012, this was only applied to new applications, it was not applied retrospectively. However, this government is definitely testing the limits of the law as can be seen with the situation with Rwanda deportations so they certainly seem quite emboldened to see what they can get away with !!!

But ultimately, we just have wait and see what happens and expect the worst but hope for the best.

Looks like ILR and FLR will be safe for those renewing visa.

New £38k salary threshold for migrants coming to UK won’t be for those reapplying, transport secretary tells LBC

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/new-salary-threshold-migrants-coming-uk-not-reapplying/

This was released today:

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9920/

My assumption is businesses have contacted their MPs en masse because losing skilled workers they have already brought over if not meeting the new income requirements (especially outside London) would have significant impacts.


Very much hoping that for family migration they reduce the income from the proposal, or not changing it at all.

For the NHS fee increase analysis and justification they also never consider what migrants are paying in NI or VAT and it's infuriating. Like yes, humans use the health service, they also contribute to it the same way British born couples do where one spouse may be a homemaker, disabled,  or both may be in work. 

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For the NHS fee increase analysis and justification they also never consider what migrants are paying in NI or VAT and it's infuriating. Like yes, humans use the health service, they also contribute to it the same way British born couples do where one spouse may be a homemaker, disabled,  or both may be in work. 

Migrants only contribute to the UK if they work fill-time, pay taxes and "are not burdening the state"


Which is the reason for this rise to be able to sponsor a partner to the UK.
...this reinforces that all those who want to work and live here must be able to support themselves, are contributing to the economy, and are not burdening the state Link above

It is unfortunate for those who will work full-time when they arrive, but abuse always gets a visa changed or closed.

EDIT On British Expats somebody has stated that up tp 40% of those on a spouse visa do not work, although no link given.
https://britishexpats.com/forum/citizenship-passports-spouse-family-visas-uk-196/spouse-salary-threshold-rise-%C2%A338-700-a-949975/

Migrants only contribute to the UK if they work fill-time, pay taxes and "are not burdening the state"

Good job then that the overwhelming majority of them do indeed work full time, pay taxes and do more than their share to make this country great.  Unlike the xenophobic morons who are shamelessly being manipulated by this horrid government to think otherwise. 

Keep in mind that most of us  come from a country with this written on the statue of liberty: 
Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

In America, the huddled masses came together to become the most powerful nation on earth, making cars like this when chocolate was still rationed in the UK.   

Good job then that the overwhelming majority of them do indeed work full time, pay taxes and do more than their share to make this country great.  Unlike the xenophobic morons who are shamelessly being manipulated by this horrid government to think otherwise. 

Keep in mind that most of us  come from a country with this written on the statue of liberty: 
Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!

In America, the huddled masses came together to become the most powerful nation on earth, making cars like this when chocolate was still rationed in the UK.

Some seem to view economic contributions via payroll tax as the only value of humans, which is the message the current government is sending out loud and clear.

Given the cost and unavailability of childcare it isn't surprising to me that a number of family migrants may not work, along with the direct discrimination so many face when job hunting. The hostile environment has definitely made it so many companies don't want to risk employing migrants and having their visa curtailed without notice. But given immigrants have no access to public funds while on temporary visas it's strange they view us as a burden to the state. We spend money in the community, use products and services provided by others, often volunteer and participate in community groups (even if digitally due to disability) - our value is far more than a payroll contribution and even the Migration Advisory Committee has said they got it wrong when they did the initial MIR analysis looking only at raw economic costs.

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Good job then that the overwhelming majority of them do indeed work full time, pay taxes and do more than their share to make this country great.

Those on a spouse visa also pay visa fees, another fee to contribute to the NHS and they can't have Public Funds for 5 years; unless they are an EEA/CH citizen or they used an EEA citizen to let them live in the UK under the EU rules and regs.

As immigration is one of those things in the UK that has to be paid for by those that use it, they have unfortunately also had to pay for all those using the EU rules to be in the UK with high fees!

In America, the huddled masses came together to become the most powerful nation on earth, making cars like this when chocolate was still rationed in the UK.   

It was Germany who invented the automobile.