This Board Subsection seems to be my own private estate!

It's kind of pointless.  All my income is from the USA. I can't "lump sum" any of my pension or social security monthly payments to transfer to a foreign currency elsewhere while the value of the dollar is still good.  If I was overseas and, as before, just had periodic payments sent to me overseas, they would be subject to potentially being cut off completely at the source, prohibited by the nation in which I had sought to find a new home, or made valueless if the dollar tanks against the local currency. I have only one pot of money that I can freely move, but that would not hold us for more than a year. I'd have to rely on the Daughter to find work to support us.

The Daughter has let her passport expire and doesn't seem to understand that it could well be in our best interests to bail in the future. And that if, by some miracle, her Irish citizenship comes through she has to be in Ireland on short notice to do the formalities. Just to keep our options open. She has still not done so. I can't go without her.  Looks like I'm to be a third class passenger on the Titanic.

It's a lose/lose here.   

It's kind of pointless.  All my income is from the USA. I can't "lump sum" any of my pension or social security monthly payments to transfer to a foreign currency elsewhere while the value of the dollar is still good.  If I was overseas and, as before, just had periodic payments sent to me overseas, they would be subject to potentially being cut off completely at the source, prohibited by the nation in which I had sought to find a new home, or made valueless if the dollar tanks against the local currency. I have only one pot of money that I can freely move, but that would not hold us for more than a year. I'd have to rely on the Daughter to find work to support us.

The Daughter has let her passport expire and doesn't seem to understand that it could well be in our best interests to bail in the future. And that if, by some miracle, her Irish citizenship comes through she has to be in Ireland on short notice to do the formalities. Just to keep our options open. She has still not done so. I can't go without her.  Looks like I'm to be a third class passenger on the Titanic.

It's a lose/lose here.   

Yikes, I would implore her to renew that as soon as possible because it may become impossible to in the not too distant future.


I'm still speechless over the events of the last few days, on top of feeling there's nothing I can do to help. Trying to balance staying informed with not being overwhelmed is difficult, and I really hope the courts have success in slowing down and reversing some of the damage.

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Yes, I'm doing my best to get her to renew. She has agreed to do it online, which is better. It just keeps getting put off. I'm going to do some serious lobbying and offer to pay for the cost in the next few days.

There's talk he's going to have to Commerce Department absorb the Post Office, so I'll also pay for expedited shipping via any other method for her.

Well, they just "deleted" the programming and IT staff that managed the online passport service, so I have no idea if it's still functioning. That would leave the old "mail in your old one" system, which would hit a staff that's been decimated.  I have offered to pay for it, but as of last night it is not one of her priorities.

She's applying now. 

She's applying now. 

Phew. Glad she didn't put it off any longer!

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Me, too. Couldn't finish it last night as they would not accept a scanned photo. We have literally nowhere in our house with the correct lighting and a plain white background. So today we moved a bunch of plant lights onto extension cords and kind of propped her up directly in front of the inside of our front door and took a photo with my really old digital camera. The system allowed her to upload that and approved the photo (I believe) so it's just now completed.

PWEW!

Well, with what looks like the Daughter's upcoming layoff in a couple of months from work due to Trump's moves, she'll technically once again be my dependent. [It is, unofficially, coming down the pipeline.]

Since most governments ask why a more-or-less able-bodied adult child would not be working and, thus, be a dependent, I can point to the hundreds of thousands of government, nonprofit, and education industry people just cut and burned by DOGE.  Hopefully that would be sufficient for an EU country if we applied for a residence visa for her as my dependent.    The US economy won't be able to absorb that many layoffs/firings.

Well, with what looks like the Daughter's upcoming layoff in a couple of months from work due to Trump's moves, she'll technically once again be my dependent. [It is, unofficially, coming down the pipeline.]

Since most governments ask why a more-or-less able-bodied adult child would not be working and, thus, be a dependent, I can point to the hundreds of thousands of government, nonprofit, and education industry people just cut and burned by DOGE.  Hopefully that would be sufficient for an EU country if we applied for a residence visa for her as my dependent.    The US economy won't be able to absorb that many layoffs/firings.

Sorry to hear about your daughter’s upcoming layoff. I can’t imagine how stressful this must be for you both.

Sorry to hear about your daughter’s upcoming layoff. I can’t imagine how stressful this must be for you both.

Thanks! At least we won't have been blindsided, as so many people have. And, as of so far, we have some time. Word is that it'll probably happen mid-summer. Unless things get worse, which they may well. It's hard to know anymore.

The lease on our apartment ends Sept. 30th, so we'll have to sort something out by then or renew for another year.

Need a policy wonk here.

Have been digging through regulations on getting my adult American daughter in to live with me in the UK. I have dual US/Irish citizenship. We lived there 2017-2020 (thanks, Covid) and have not been back since. While there, we both applied under the EUSS.

SO:

Breaking continuity of residence (EUSS)

Pre-settled status can be cancelled where a person breaks continuity of residence or because of criminal conduct. ... Unless someone with pre-settled status has already acquired permanent residence rights (see section 7), or a five year continuous residence qualifying period for settled status, maintaining continuity of residence means not being absent from the UK for more than 6 months out of every 12 (with some exemptions for longer absences for an ‘important reason’, or for some absences related to Covid - see this Gov.UK website for more details: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/coronavirus-covid-19-eu-settlement-scheme-guidance-for-applicants).

When continuity of residence is broken, it means that it is no longer possible to acquire permanent residence rights, or to upgrade to settled status, since the requirement for settled status is that continuity of residence started by 31 December 2020. In other words, a person cannot begin a new period of continuous residence after 31 December 2020.

The exception to this is joining family members, who would be able to restart a period of continuous residence from scratch, as long as their EU sponsor (who was in the UK by 31 December 2020) has maintained their continuous residence, or has settled status / permanent residence rights.

And this

According to the British Passport Policy, a citizen has a Right Of Abode if they have no restrictions and have a valid British Overseas Territories Citizens Passport (an Irish passport counts as one of these passports). According to the policy, an Irish citizen has no restrictions when they travel to the U.K. “Irish citizens may be automatically accepted as settled for the purpose of section (1)(1)(b) unless there is clear evidence to the contrary.” An Irish citizen is automatically accepted as settled.




So, I'm trying to sort out two different streams here:

1) Irish citizens are considered "settled".
2) Irish citizens are also EU.

We both applied under EUSS, but have been out of the UK just under five years, so it's pretty much a given that door is shut. But, the advice also says that "or has settled status / permanent residence rights." (which #1 grants me) so the daughter could theoretically reapply for a new EUSS period.

My hunch is that the permanent residence rights I have now would be looked at as being in a different category than EU, and so this "or" would not apply to my daughter doing another EUSS application. We'd be looking at the "regular" immigration channels, under which there is absolutely no hope of bringing her in.

Am I correct here?

As you know, Irish citizens are allowed to live in the UK; and British citizens can live in the Republic of Ireland; under a long standing agreement before the the UK and RoI joined the EU. To bring non-Irish/non-British dependents with them, they use UK immigration law/RoI immigration law for a visa. Your adult daughter will not get the UK ADR visa. Only single fiqures of that visa seem to be given each year anyway as the requirements are very strict. A refusal meaning they will struggle to ever visit the UK as they have stated their intention to live in the UK and a visitor visa means they have to show ties to their own country which means they must return home.

Before Brexit, Irish citizens could bring non-Irish citizens to the UK under the EU's Free Movement. Although some dependents got caught out when they went for the EU's PR in the UK because their Irish Citizen Family Member had not followed EU laws for the 5 years. You know what these are.

As an EU citizen, you could try to get your adult daughter permission to live with you in an EEA country as an Extended Family Member. Have you thought about Germany? They seem to have the best healthcare system. The NHS is finished.

As you know, Irish citizens are allowed to live in the UK; and British citizens can live in the Republic of Ireland; under a long standing agreement before the the UK and RoI joined the EU. To bring non-Irish/non-British dependents with them, they use UK immigration law/RoI immigration law for a visa. Your adult daughter will not get the UK ADR visa. Only single fiqures of that visa seem to be given each year anyway as the requirements are very strict. A refusal meaning they will struggle to ever visit the UK as they have stated their intention to live in the UK and a visitor visa means they have to show ties to their own country which means they must return home.

Before Brexit, Irish citizens could bring non-Irish citizens to the UK under the EU's Free Movement. Although some dependents got caught out when they went for the EU's PR in the UK because their Irish Citizen Family Member had not followed EU laws for the 5 years. You know what these are.

As an EU citizen, you could try to get your adult daughter permission to live with you in an EEA country as an Extended Family Member. Have you thought about Germany? They seem to have the best healthcare system. The NHS is finished.

[Yes, we are looking at other EU countries.]

 I know she has no chance of an ADR on the UK rules. She has almost no chance of using that in the ROI, either. The best I'm seeing for Ireland is a "D" long-stay visa, and there's no telling how long would be allowed as, apparently, you have to apply for it once you get in-country. Not ideal. The "D" visa is a one-time shot and can't be renewed, if I have it right. So it would only be for an emergency situation, and the time spent on it would not apply to the 5 years required for naturalization.  If we could get her a "Stamp 4" she could work or go back to school. After 5 years in-country she could apply for naturalization.

But for the UK - In one set of HMRC docs it talks about the EUSS late applicant traveling to the UK with the sponsoring party. HMRC guidance docs do seem to say she could have applied under EUSS as a late applicant (only for use in joining family cases) if she could provide a justifiable reason for the delay in applying that they accepted. They also seem to state that the 2021 and 2023 deadlines do not apply.  Strictly speaking, the regs say I would have had to have lived there prior to 2020 31 December. Which I did. They also state that I need not have applied for EUSS as I would already be considered "settled". But that she should apply under EUSS. That's the point I'm trying to sort out. 

I am ~assuming~ that for her to use the EUSS late applicant route I would have to be considered "settled" under the EUSS regs. Even though I'm already considered "settled" under the CTA/UK regs.  I'm thinking that I would have had to have stayed in the UK for two more years so that I would have had the same conditions as someone who had applied for settled status under EUSS.  But that's me trying to think logically, and these regs do not always follow a straight line. (They are still a lot clearer than the ROI ones, though!)

I also suspect that if she has a lapsed/cancelled EUSS pre-settled status this late application route is probably not going to be an option anyway. But I haven't found that language yet. (I bet it's in there somewhere.)

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/common-travel-area-guidance/common-travel-area-guidance#EUSS

[What would be ideal is if the Minister of Justice's Office in Ireland actually finished the processing of her citizenship application from 2018!  In 2019 we received a letter stating it should only be a few more months. So far, it's still processing. But that would solve the dilemma, or at least let us know it's not still an option.]


Yeah, I turned on the TV this morning before running out to get work done on my car. The banner on Sky news was saying "NHS England to be discontinued" or something like that and I spilled coffee down the front of my hoodie.  There was nothing on the news here I could find before I left, but when I got back home I was able to hear an  interview on Sky where it wasn't the actual NHS they were axing, but a board that oversees it?  Shades of DOGE, what is going on over there?

Yeah, I turned on the TV this morning before running out to get work done on my car. The banner on Sky news was saying "NHS England to be discontinued" or something like that and I spilled coffee down the front of my hoodie.  There was nothing on the news here I could find before I left, but when I got back home I was able to hear an  interview on Sky where it wasn't the actual NHS they were axing, but a board that oversees it?  Shades of DOGE, what is going on over there?

Yeah, they are putting it under new management.  I didn't know it but NHS England has only been in existence since 2012 after the last reorganization.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/mar/13/keir-starmer-abolishes-nhs-england-executive-body

The prime minister said the NHS should be overseen by politicians rather than an arm’s-length body, as it would bring greater accountability.

Starmer’s move reverses the unpopular shake-up of the NHS carried out by the former health secretary Andrew Lansley in the first years of the Conservative-Liberal Democrat coalition.

The health secretary, Wes Streeting, said it was the “final nail in the coffin of the disastrous 2012 reorganisation, which led to the longest waiting times, lowest patient satisfaction, and most expensive NHS in history”.

In a speech about reshaping the state, Starmer said NHS England would be abolished to “cut bureaucracy” and bring management of the health service “back into democratic control”

Ummm... wow.

Could be a cultural difference, but it does seem that every time you have politicians involved in the administration of agencies instead of trained civil servants or professional persons in the respective field(s) of endeavor it doesn't go well.