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What are my chances?
« on: May 05, 2005, 04:13:59 AM »
I am a soon to be law school graduate (couple months) at an ok ABA law school, I'm 25, I've done some freelance writing about the auto industry and run a blog related to such, and don't have a criminal record.  My primary goal is to work in the corporate office of a car company, any marque, that sells in Britain, but I am open to basically any low level executive position.  I'm looking to earn around 50 thousand pounds per year.  Am I totally insane if I send out 1000+ resumes to job openings and various executive heads at hundreds of companies?  Please someone give me some hope.   :o


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Re: What are my chances?
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2005, 04:44:58 AM »
I don't want to come off arrogant, detailing my abilities or something.  I guess what I'm trying to say is, is it a good strategy to send hundreds if not thousands of resumes to British companies, while I live in America, with my credentials, is it possible to procure a decent job? 


Re: What are my chances?
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2005, 07:23:20 AM »
I dont think it will really help you.
Even if they like your CV, the chances of the employer applying for a work permit on your behalf are very slim.  It's a hassle, and it costs them money... so they will likely be thinking, why should they go to this bother when they can just get someone from the UK or EU for the job.


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Re: What are my chances?
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2005, 01:06:20 PM »
Unfortunately, I have to agree with what Otterpop has said. It's my understanding that work permits are very difficult to get unless you have a skill that the company cannot find anywhere in the UK or the EU. You could send off all your CVs but unless you have a visa to go with it, no one will respond.
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Re: What are my chances?
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2005, 02:12:12 PM »
Why would you want to move to Britian to pursue this goal?  I ask, not to be noisey or pessimistic, but simply because there isn't a huge car industry here and because on the whole it is difficult to get senior positions as an immigrant. 

If it is the experience of living in britain, can I suggest a Bunac visa?  As a graduate or recent graduate you are eligible for a 6 month working visa.  This would give you a taste of working here and perhaps help you get some valuable contacts for further employment.  The website is www.bunac.org

I would point out that it is unlikely to earn the kind of money you are talking about straight out of law school in the UK--there is a post under money matters lamenting this fact. 

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Re: What are my chances?
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2005, 04:20:45 PM »
It doesn't have to be in the auto industry, it's just a preference.  I'm sure people drive cars in Britain, obviously every marque will have a corporate headquarters there.  One skill I have that most Britons don't have is the ability to read and understand an American contract.  I'd like to move to a country where I can speak English and where there is a strong currency.  I have a lot of debt in student loans, and a job paid in pounds will allow me to pay it off faster.  Any British company doing business in America will probably have need of someone who can understand American contracts.  Does anyone think I would have better odds pursuing those types of jobs in Britain?


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Re: What are my chances?
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2005, 04:25:50 PM »
If that's what you're looking for, I'd suggest you find yourself work within an American company there in the US and then try to get transferred over.  Otherwise, as Otterpop and Ashley have said, your chances are very, very slim.  And your chances of making that kind of money right out of school is even slimmer.  Check out the post KatGold referenced.  Lawyers make a lot less in this country.  Sorry this isn't more optimistic for you!   :-\\\\


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Re: What are my chances?
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2005, 04:29:50 PM »
Plus, there are already A LOT of US lawyers in the UK - tonnes of them in London.  And they can read American contracts just fine...
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Re: What are my chances?
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2005, 04:36:05 PM »
i do have to admit that 50K sterling right out of school is a *bit* much here......

just curious, have you ever visited the UK?  Do you like it here?

Do you have to have UK credintials to practise law here?  (i have no idea-just asking).


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Re: What are my chances?
« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2005, 04:40:45 PM »
I looked at Bunac.org, I believe it is a commercial site that buys the visas for you, and then overcharges customers for them.  I think I can get those student visas much cheaper from the consulate in my city.  But thanks anyway.


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Re: What are my chances?
« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2005, 04:44:13 PM »
i do have to admit that 50K sterling right out of school is a *bit* much here......

just curious, have you ever visited the UK?  Do you like it here?

Do you have to have UK credintials to practise law here?  (i have no idea-just asking).

You have to take an exam and have been an American lawyer for two years to become a solicitor, three years to become a barrister, and on top of that apprentice with another barrister for several years in addition.  I would just read contracts and analyze them, not really be a lawyer or anything. 

Plus, there are already A LOT of US lawyers in the UK - tonnes of them in London. And they can read American contracts just fine...

That's interesting because there are no British lawyers here, in America, so I guess all the movement has been in one direction. ::)


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Re: What are my chances?
« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2005, 06:54:55 PM »
It seems to me, LawYank, that you have already made up your mind about what you want to do and don't really value what people who have made the jump over here have to say about your chances. 

So good luck to you. 
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Re: What are my chances?
« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2005, 07:50:28 PM »
It seems to me, LawYank, that you have already made up your mind about what you want to do and don't really value what people who have made the jump over here have to say about your chances. 

So good luck to you. 

First of all thank you for the good luck.  Second of all I do plan on making use of a student visa, from the British government not a corporation who will overcharge me.  Several hundred dollars for a visa?  That's obviously a sham.  Are you employed by this company?  Companies do not issue visas, governments issue visas.  I'm sorry that your advice to me is not the best advice to take.  I think it's wrong of you to give faulty advice to people, especially if you profit yourself.  No need for sarcasm.
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Re: What are my chances?
« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2005, 08:02:50 PM »
Hmm, $275 for BUNAC.  Heck of a lot cheaper than the $480-ish I paid for a fiancee visa nearly seven years ago.
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Re: What are my chances?
« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2005, 08:04:31 PM »
BUNAC is a scheme to allow you to work, not to go to school so stop calling it or thinking that it's a student visa. It's an approved scheme that's mentioned through all of the laws and immigration policies of the UK so it's recognized and approved by the UK government. You obviously haven't done your research otherwise you would have known this. A student visa requires you to go to SCHOOL and only allows you to work for 20 hours a week during the course of your studies. BUNAC visa has no such restrictions.  So if you'd rather go further in debt to get another degree and only work 20 hours a week in some job probably not related to your future plans instead of using a program that will allow you to get your foot in the door and work a REAL JOB,  then by all means go ahead.  I guess $20,000 for schooling and living expenses is a better deal than a $275 visa.


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