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Re: Have you registered with the Embassy?
« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2005, 08:57:36 AM »
This is interesting and a bit off topic but what about expats who have dual national sons? Do they also have to register for the draft? I have four sons. 2 are American born and two are British born.

The law seems to have changed somewhat since Jimmy Carter re-intoduced it as opposed to what it was during the Viet-Nam conflict and now seems a bit vague...........here's a link to the site's frequently asked questions, there is one further down that deals with young men of age residing overseas......the homepage claims that if you live IN the U.S the law applies, the FAQ,s seems to suggest it still applies to ALL U.S male citizens regardless of location:

                                                        http://www.sss.gov/QA.HTM#quest9

this link (also from the same site)   http://www.sss.gov/FSwho.htm deals with dual citizenship

addendum: I do know however that GWB and the government have an agreement with other countries regarding American citizens in the event of a draft in order to avoid another "Canadian migration"
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Re: Have you registered with the Embassy?
« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2005, 09:09:41 AM »
I haven't, but I am not traveling to or from the UK. I am living here. The NHS, the Inland Revenue and the Department of Works and Pensions know that I exist and know where I live. In the event of an emergency, I would not be traveling back to the US, I would be by my British husband's side.


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Re: Have you registered with the Embassy?
« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2005, 09:21:00 AM »
Never criticize a man until you have walked a mile in his shoes....that way you are a mile a way - and you have his shoes....


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Re: Have you registered with the Embassy?
« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2005, 12:54:51 PM »
This is interesting and a bit off topic but what about expats who have dual national sons? Do they also have to register for the draft? I have four sons. 2 are American born and two are British born.

I am pretty sure if they hold citizenship in both countries, they are eligible to be drafted by either country.  Someone please correct me if I am wrong.
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Re: Have you registered with the Embassy?
« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2005, 02:53:48 PM »
I am pretty sure if they hold citizenship in both countries, they are eligible to be drafted by either country.  Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

Nah, there's an agreement alluded to  in regard to this very thing on the Selective Service website.....regardless of dual citizenship the U.S is ALWAYS gonna claim you as American unless you specifically denounce citizenship in writing and although in theory that's what one does when they take on dual citizenship and the oath of alliegance to another country, it's a loophole that  congressional administrations turn a blind eye to...dual citizenship although allowed is not recognized by the U.S.......as far as their concerned once a Yank always a Yank. In other words there's no hard and fast rules about being dual, it's more a  ;) and a "yeah OK"
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Re: Have you registered with the Embassy?
« Reply #20 on: September 20, 2005, 03:00:28 PM »
Nah, there's an agreement alluded to  in regard to this very thing on the Selective Service website.....regardless of dual citizenship the U.S is ALWAYS gonna claim you as American unless you specifically denounce citizenship in writing and although in theory that's what one does when they take on dual citizenship and the oath of alliegance to another country, it's a loophole that  congressional administrations turn a blind eye to...dual citizenship although allowed is not recognized by the U.S.......as far as their concerned once a Yank always a Yank. In other words there's no hard and fast rules about being dual, it's more a  ;) and a "yeah OK"

True, and I signed up for the Selective Service years back, but if I am living in the country of my other nationality, there is no way in hell that the US has the authority to make me enter the draft if they decide to have one.



Re: Have you registered with the Embassy?
« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2005, 03:02:51 PM »
Are you British or American by birth?


Re: Have you registered with the Embassy?
« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2005, 03:20:01 PM »
I know that this is going way off topic from the original thread but in a way it all ties in, thus the reason why the U.S recommends registering with the U.S embassy when moving and settling in another country other than the U.S......dual citizenship is one of those VERY gray areas.......this thread explains what one needs to do in order to cease being a U.S citizen. The fact that someone obtains a British passport and resides in Britain (or anywhere else for that matter) does NOT mean they are no longer a U.S citizen or that the U.S recognizes their dual nationality .

                                                        http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_776.html


Re: Have you registered with the Embassy?
« Reply #23 on: September 20, 2005, 03:39:35 PM »
Are you British or American by birth?

So a man born to an American citizen in the UK, who basically has US citizen forced upon him, could be drafted to fight for a country in which he was not born and in which he may or may not have even wanted to be a citizen of?

If so I find that a bit pants, tbh.


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Re: Have you registered with the Embassy?
« Reply #24 on: September 20, 2005, 03:48:01 PM »
Are you British or American by birth?

British by birth, American through naturalization.


Re: Have you registered with the Embassy?
« Reply #25 on: September 20, 2005, 03:52:05 PM »
So a man born to an American citizen in the UK, who basically has US citizen forced upon him, could be drafted to fight for a country in which he was not born and in which he may or may not have even wanted to be a citizen of?

If so I find that a bit pants, tbh.

In a nutshell, yeah...........Uncle Sam does'nt care about pants........I would'nt wanna fathom a guess at how many boys from Belfast, Derry, Dublin ,Mexico, Canada, Australia  etc. I met in Viet-Nam who's only bad luck was that they owned a green card and were born on the wrong day when their draft number came up.
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Re: Have you registered with the Embassy?
« Reply #26 on: September 20, 2005, 03:54:54 PM »
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So a man born to an American citizen in the UK, who basically has US citizen forced upon him, could be drafted to fight for a country in which he was not born and in which he may or may not have even wanted to be a citizen of?  If so I find that a bit pants, tbh.
I agree with that.

However on a slightly different note, again about registering with the Embassy . . .
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In the event of an emergency, I would not be traveling back to the US, I would be by my British husband's side.
You can register everyone living at home with you, regardless of whether or not they are American, and they can receive the same help from the embassy, if needed/desired.
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Re: Have you registered with the Embassy?
« Reply #27 on: September 20, 2005, 04:00:43 PM »
British by birth, American through naturalization.

Well then if push came to shove and they wanted ya, they'd have ya ......and the British government would hand ya right over to boot if requested to do so. In 2003 when the question of a draft was kicked around GWB sewed up all those gray areas in advance to the consideration. WOULD it happen......probably not.......COULD it happen (and would it be legal?)........oh yeah.


Re: Have you registered with the Embassy?
« Reply #28 on: September 20, 2005, 04:11:49 PM »
Well then if push came to shove and they wanted ya, they'd have ya ......and the British government would hand ya right over to boot if requested to do so. In 2003 when the question of a draft was kicked around GWB sewed up all those gray areas in advance to the consideration. WOULD it happen......probably not.......COULD it happen (and would it be legal?)........oh yeah.

Unless you went to France w/its reluctance to extradict anyone.


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Re: Have you registered with the Embassy?
« Reply #29 on: September 20, 2005, 04:14:37 PM »
Well then if push came to shove and they wanted ya, they'd have ya ......and the British government would hand ya right over to boot if requested to do so. In 2003 when the question of a draft was kicked around GWB sewed up all those gray areas in advance to the consideration. WOULD it happen......probably not.......COULD it happen (and would it be legal?)........oh yeah.

Well, I could drag it through the British courts if I wanted to.  Or like expat mentions, I could move to France and Dubya couldn't touch me.   :)


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