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Medical History/Privacy
« on: September 28, 2005, 07:49:15 AM »
I just received the offer letter/contract, for my job which officially started Monday, and I have to fill out a four-page medical history 'to determine if I am fit for the job and if I am eligible for a pension'.  I have to sign a consent form allowing the company to see my medical records.

The form asks if I have suffered from any of a number of illnesses at any time in my life. When I was 17 (I am now 40) I was hospitalized for depression and on medication for several years. I have not had any such problems since. I told this to my GP because I thought it was an important part of my medical history.  I never dreamed that any medical information I reavealed would ever go past my doctor, unless I voluntarily applied for private health or life insurance.  I know of two people in the UK who are collecting benefits because they claim to be clinically depressed, so I know that in some cases being depressed can mean you are not fit to work.

Coming from the American healthcare system, I always felt that anything I told a doctor would be between me and the doctor, so I was always honest with my doctors, which I believe helped me to get good medical care.  I wonder if British healthcare suffers because people know that anything they tell their GPs might be forwarded to a potential employer.  On the health questionnaire, I have to give the reason for my last visit to the GP. So what if someone wants help for a drinking or drug problem, or is afraid they might have contracted AIDS, or is worried about any other 'personal' health problem? Would they possibly not see a doctor at all because they are worried about a potential employer finding out?

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Re: Medical History/Privacy
« Reply #1 on: September 29, 2005, 01:54:49 AM »
WOW  this is scary!!!!!
How can older people find a job?  You are not going to be in perfect health if you are 50!
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Re: Medical History/Privacy
« Reply #2 on: September 29, 2005, 02:41:37 AM »
If I had to fill out that form I'd just put "general check-up" for reason for last visit.I wouldn't go into detail about it. 


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Re: Medical History/Privacy
« Reply #3 on: September 29, 2005, 04:17:52 AM »

sweetpeach, now I'm starting to question the privacy practices in the UK!

"I just received the offer letter/contract, for my job which officially started Monday, and I have to fill out a four-page medical history 'to determine if I am fit for the job and if I am eligible for a pension'.  I have to sign a consent form allowing the company to see my medical records."

Is this usual practice there? I've never heard of anything like this unless one is applying for life insurance or something!
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« Reply #4 on: September 29, 2005, 08:31:40 AM »
WOW  this is scary!!!!!
How can older people find a job?  You are not going to be in perfect health if you are 50!

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« Reply #5 on: September 29, 2005, 08:40:45 AM »
That shocked me as a Brit, Sweetpeach  :o I signed my last contract for local gov almost 5 years ago and the medical questionnaire was there (it's best to be honest about issues like depression actually as they then cannot say you didn't disclose this if you have another genuine episode and need to be paid for it later, but I am talking about clinically diagnosed depression). I would be tempted to put something like "to discuss some concerns", as that keeps it honest.

It's outrageous to ask what the last apppointment was for, that is none of anyone's business but yours.

Just to reassure you a little however, you can ensure that the employer sees only what you have approved in any medical reports. On the form for you authorising them to seek any information from the GP, make sure you tick the box to say you want to see it before it goes to the employer and then you are invited to read any reports they make from your notes and can ask for any changes.

Our HR dept can barely function in a normal role, let alone chase up people's medical info, so I do suppose it's more of a formality these days, to try to stop the endless social workers that go off sick with stress at the first sign of an extra case to handle, leaving all their colleagues/clerks to cope  ::)
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Re: Medical History/Privacy
« Reply #6 on: September 29, 2005, 01:35:04 PM »
I found the whole medical questionnaire thing invasive as well, but I needed to start working so I just plowed through it.  (I work for a pension company.)  I was just honest but brief -- still I wondered as I was putting down things like my history of depression, high blood pressure, arthritus, PCOS -- I thought 'oh great' now they're going to want me to have a medical examination in addition to all the other flaming hoops I had to jump through.  But after I sent the form in -- that was the end of it -- so I don't know how much follow up is done on these things, so maybe like New Dawn says -- it's more a formality than anything else?
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Forget your perfect offering
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« Reply #7 on: September 29, 2005, 01:45:50 PM »
I had to do this for a company here called CMI (Clerical Medical International) you see their ads on the telly sometimes..the one they had was the female priest and the Dr. and it lead you to believe she was preggers

anyways........I was offered the job.....signed the papers and then had to fill this form out and sign a paper that they could get sent to my dr. and they called me whilst I was on holiday and told me they would have to retract the offer of employment as I didn't pass the health screening for their insurance and pensions program, I was to much of a health risk... and they were terribly sorry they couldn't keep me as I was ideal for the position........bugger eh?

my mother and father both has heart problems and I have/had clinical depression.........

So I hope you guys do better... :D




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Re: Medical History/Privacy
« Reply #8 on: September 29, 2005, 05:11:41 PM »
I had to do this for a company here called CMI (Clerical Medical International) you see their ads on the telly sometimes..the one they had was the female priest and the Dr. and it lead you to believe she was preggers

anyways........I was offered the job.....signed the papers and then had to fill this form out and sign a paper that they could get sent to my dr. and they called me whilst I was on holiday and told me they would have to retract the offer of employment as I didn't pass the health screening for their insurance and pensions program, I was to much of a health risk... and they were terribly sorry they couldn't keep me as I was ideal for the position........bugger eh?

my mother and father both has heart problems and I have/had clinical depression.........

So I hope you guys do better... :D

I am sorry MeShell     Were you able to find a different job?
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« Reply #9 on: September 29, 2005, 05:30:44 PM »

I can't believe what I am reading... >:( Shocked beyond belief.....and to think I got upset when my current company asked me my age on my interview.  (Question - so what are you in your mid 30s or so). I was appalled...now I am jaw dropping appalled.  I can't believe employers want to see your records so they can have the choice to possibly exclude you based on your medical history or condition. Very, very scary. 

Just one more tick in the box for me in our never ending decision process on whether to move back to the states or not.  Knock on wood, I don't have any medical issues but it still disturbs me on principal.

MeShell - Sorry that happened to you...it must have been demoralizing but then again, you just have to say
whatever because its beyond absurd.



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Re: Medical History/Privacy
« Reply #10 on: September 29, 2005, 06:58:22 PM »
WOW  this is scary!!!!!
How can older people find a job?  You are not going to be in perfect health if you are 50!

Not only that, they ask you if any of your siblings, parents or grandparents have died.  I am 40. My parents were almost 40 when I was born.  It would be quite unusual if any of my grandparents were still alive. They would all be way past 100!

MeShell, I am curious to know which medical condition made them retract their offer of employment. You can PM me if it's too personal to post to the mesage board. Also, what was the job?

I do know that there is a law against discriminating against people with disabilities.


Our HR dept can barely function in a normal role, let alone chase up people's medical info, so I do suppose it's more of a formality these days, to try to stop the endless social workers that go off sick with stress at the first sign of an extra case to handle, leaving all their colleagues/clerks to cope  ::)

LOL! I put in 60 hour weeks at my last job! You don't need the body of a 25-year-old to be able to handle stress.

I don't think I will personally have a problem as my depression was so long ago, and I've certainly proved that I can function in a high pressure environment.  In addition to my previous US jobs, I was working at my current job as a temp for over 2 months. But I do think it makes it difficult for a doctor to provide good medical care if their patients don't feel comfortable confiding in them.

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Re: Medical History/Privacy
« Reply #11 on: September 29, 2005, 08:28:58 PM »
I honestly don't know the exact reason.
They didn't tell me exactly what health problem that I or my family had that caused me to not get the job. I had a job at the time I was applying for this one....I just didn't tell anyone that I had gotten the job, so I continued on at the one I had...things got better where I was at..


It had to do with me and my past medical history not passing..they offered a comprehensive health and pension program and they couldn't hire me as they wouldn't insure me or cover me.
They do pensions and investments....I was going to be a investment adviser....

It is like the insurance that mortgage companies offer you... that you can take out for cancer or serious illness that if you are diagnosed with cancer they will pay your mortgage off. I didn't pass that either. So I didn't take it too personally.




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Re: Medical History/Privacy
« Reply #12 on: September 29, 2005, 09:46:33 PM »
Not only that, they ask you if any of your siblings, parents or grandparents have died.  I am 40. My parents were almost 40 when I was born.  It would be quite unusual if any of my grandparents were still alive. They would all be way past 100!


Good god, it gets worse :o
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Re: Medical History/Privacy
« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2005, 01:07:45 AM »
Sh*t! I'm 48 and both parents, all of my grandparents as well as one brother have predeceased me! Does anyone know if the Boroughs do this or is it only some private companies?
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« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2005, 06:21:13 AM »
I found this:
DAS Legal Expenses Insurance Limited  Bristol, Englang
Employment Law Manual
"The use of pre-employment medical questionnaire is a double edge sword. Should  you decide not to interview or employ an applicant based on information revealed, this could amount to disability discrimination"

There are also new EU privacy law but I don't understand if they are related to this topic. 
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