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Free to Air Satellite -anyone have this
« on: November 08, 2005, 01:24:17 PM »
Okay... so I was not sure where to put this topic...  I reallly don't want to pay for Sky...

I really don't want to fork out tons for a receiver either but I'd rather have a fixed cost than pay month to month for a year.  Also Sky does not offer a lot of the Spanish Channels I would want. 

So in my quest I have found this thing called free to air satellite.  I am just starting to get my head around the different satellites, motorized ones and all of that. 

I'd like to hear from someone though that has one and if it's good. 

I even saw on a website that they sell motors for Sky dishes though I am not sure how that one works either. 

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Re: Free to Air Satellite -anyone have this
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2005, 02:28:30 PM »
We have it. Well, I think I know what youre talking about. We have a satellite receiver and dish which hubby set up himself. We get over a thousand stations most of them not in English but many programs have the option of changing the language. We get TONS of  very hard core porn day and night so we dont let the boys have access to the remote.  ::)   If you can get this you will have access to all the Spanish and French programs you can handle! We just sold our old receiver on Ebay for just £30 last week.
We also have SKY which is mainly what we use. I think hubby's satellite hook up may be a bit on the dodgy side but I never really asked him.


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Re: Free to Air Satellite -anyone have this
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2005, 08:38:20 PM »
Could you ask him?   ;D
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Re: Free to Air Satellite -anyone have this
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2005, 08:45:17 PM »
Could you ask him?   ;D
He said you can buy free to air satellites/dishes (motorized if you wish) and the people at the satellite shop can tell you how to set it up. Ours is dodgy (shhhhh). He said the further south you live the better you can pick up the French/Spanish programs.


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Re: Free to Air Satellite -anyone have this
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2005, 08:50:13 PM »
I a knowa nothink...

 ;)

Tell him thanks!
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Re: Free to Air Satellite -anyone have this
« Reply #5 on: November 10, 2005, 11:37:44 AM »
Many people in the U.K. seem to think of the Sky packages as being the full extent of satellite TV, but there are many free-to-air stations available if you move beyond the Astra satellites.    Foreign-language speakers will often find more variety than English speakers these days, although the selections can change quite quickly.

For the widest selection of programs, you would need to install a steerable (motorized) dish of a decent size (3 ft. or more, not those little 18 in. ones you see stuck on the side of houses).     Some satellites have narrow beam transmissions which are aimed at their intended target country.   The further away you are located from that area, the weaker the signal and the larger the dish you will need to receive it properly.  (Imagine standing above the earth with a powerful flashlight and narrowing the beam down to point at one particular spot and you'll get the general idea.)    In fact this is just what is done with one of the Astra (Sky) transponders, which is why British expats in southern Spain need a larger dish than those in England.

The LyngSat website has a comprehensive list of channels available on satellites throughout the world:

www.lyngsat.com



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Re: Free to Air Satellite -anyone have this
« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2005, 12:05:29 PM »
Thanks Paul, see I found that site and they even have Catalan Programming on Hispastat... so I think that would be great only I don't want one of those huge satelite dishes you used to see in the South of the USA where it looked like an alien landing pad.   ;D

We live in a mid terrace Victorian with a courtyard so any equipment would have to be mounted on the roof or somewhere.  So does anyone know of any good ones and how hard it is to programme them etc.?
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Re: Free to Air Satellite -anyone have this
« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2005, 12:41:48 PM »
Thanks Paul, see I found that site and they even have Catalan Programming on Hispastat... so I think that would be great only I don't want one of those huge satelite dishes you used to see in the South of the USA where it looked like an alien landing pad.   ;D

We live in a mid terrace Victorian with a courtyard so any equipment would have to be mounted on the roof or somewhere.  So does anyone know of any good ones and how hard it is to programme them etc.?
We have a metre size dish mounted on a pole on the side of our back garden. We have the motorized unit on it also.
We are able to get Hipastat!
We live in an end of terrace by the way.


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Re: Free to Air Satellite -anyone have this
« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2005, 12:44:59 PM »
Heck I am just going to move in with you.  ;D  Tell those boys to move over... ;)
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« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2005, 12:46:23 PM »
Heck I am just going to move in with you.  ;D  Tell those boys to move over... ;)
Come on down! What's one more in this little house!  ;D


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Re: Free to Air Satellite -anyone have this
« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2005, 12:48:26 PM »
and and I can cook! 

Anyways thanks for the info.  I do wonder if we'd be able to get reception from the back ... hmmmm....

I just need to go talk to some techie people at the shop...
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Re: Free to Air Satellite -anyone have this
« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2005, 12:53:58 PM »
and and I can cook! 

Anyways thanks for the info.  I do wonder if we'd be able to get reception from the back ... hmmmm....

I just need to go talk to some techie people at the shop...
We dont have any trees in our backyard so its pretty clear. Hubby tried explaining all this stuff to me but Im lost. He mentioned the satellites around the UK are in a 'glove shape'. Im not sure what that means maybe Paul can explain.
Anyway, good luck!


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Re: Free to Air Satellite -anyone have this
« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2005, 10:55:54 PM »
O.K., pay attention class......   ;)

The satellites in question are in what is known as geostationary or geosynchronous orbit, all directly above the equator and at a altitude of approx. 22,000 miles.    At this distance the speed of the satellite matches the rotation of the earth, completing one orbit per day, and thus from any one spot on the earth the satellite always appears to be in the same direction in the sky.   This ring around the earth 22,000 miles above the equator which gives geostationary orbits is known as the "Clarke Belt," named for science-fiction writer Arthur C. Clarke who proposed the idea in the 1940s.

Now it comes down to basic geometry.   From any point in the northern hemisphere,  the part of the Clarke Belt which can be "seen" by a dish forms an arc with its high-point due south and the ends disappearing below the horizon toward the east and west, like this:



Thus all of the satellites you can receive will lie somewhere along the arc, so you don't need to able to "see" all of the sky with your dish, just that part of it which contains the Clarke Belt (or as much of it as you can manage).   

The angle of elevation for the peak of the arc depends upon your own latitude.   For example, both Malmo, Sweden and Palermo, Italy are approx. 13 degrees East of Greenwich, and thus some of the Eutelsat satellites at 13 deg. E will be due south from both locations (the satellites themselves, being in geostationary orbit over the equator, are actually 22,000 miles directly above the Congo in Africa).

However in Malmo the high, due south point of the arc is only 27 degrees above horizontal whereas in Palermo you would need the dish elevation set to around 46 degrees.    These are the highest elevations needed from these two latitudes for aiming due south. 

As you can see from the diagram, as soon as you move the dish away from due south the elevation is reduced correspondingly.    For example, parts southern Scotland are on about the same latitude as Malmo, but to receive the Eutelsat cluster at 13 deg. E you now need to turn your dish azimuth to about 160 degrees, or 20 deg. to the east of south.  Now the elevation is reduced to 24 degrees rather than the 27 deg. at Malmo.   

If you lived right on the equator, your arc would extend from due east to due west with its highest point directly above you, e.g. from a point at 13 deg. E in the Congo you would point your dish straight up for the same Eutelsat satellites.

Clearly then, at higher latitudes you not will not only have your high-point of the arc at a much lower elevation, but a greater portion of the whole arc will also be much lower in the sky.  Thus city and valley dwellers in more northerly locations are likely to find it harder to find a dish location which gives as clear a sweep of the Clarke Belt than somebody located farther south.     This becomes more of a problem as you try to pick up satellites near to your horizon where you will be aiming relatively low and might have buildings and other local features in the line of sight.   Rural dwellers on the Prairies are in an ideal spot, of course!  ;)

So in practical terms, the first thing you need to look for in the U.K. is a spot which will give your dish as good a view of the southern sky as possible.  It's inevitable that some obstructions will exist, but with a little luck and planning you may be able to arrange the dish such these dead spots don't lie on a part of the Clarke Belt which interests you.  Obviously as the exact azimuth and elevation for any particular satellite depends upon your own latitude and longitude, that can only be determined by looking at each site individually.

By the way, if you live in the southern hemisphere just substitute "north" for "south" in the above descriptions.   South of the equator you will get a similar arc with its high point due north. 

Hope this explains it a little better.   Class dismissed!  :)

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Re: Free to Air Satellite -anyone have this
« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2005, 08:02:59 AM »
Brilliant!! Thanks!!

Now I finally understand it.
The wiring in our brain is not static, not irrevocably fixed.  Our brains are adaptable. -Mattieu Ricard

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Re: Free to Air Satellite -anyone have this
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2005, 08:43:12 AM »
Brilliant!! Thanks!!

Now I finally understand it.
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